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rey b
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: mariano madrinan pambayan bayani

Vice, i caught the bug and starts searching and found royal family forum,you have to become a member,the info on AlfonsoX!! is detail and the administrator happens to live in Armsterdam so i give hime(e-mail) some info about the mater dolorosa and if Mr. Marengo replies i will let you know.Hopefully we will find her.




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Magandang balita yan.

Maraming salamat,
Vice
mutuk
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject:

Pag gunita at pag aalay ng bulaklak para sa ika 152 Taong Kaarawan ng Pambayang Bayani

MARIANO BALDEMOR MADRIÑAN
Born: September 25, 1858
Died: January 7, 1939



Septyembre 24, 2010 araw ng Biyernes ika 8 n.u.
































































Bukas po ng gabi 8pm Sept. 25, araw ng Sabado, sa mismong kaarawan ay magkakaroon ng open jam ang mga kabataang mahilig sa musika bilang pagbibigay pugay sa ating Pambayang Bayani.
lorem1982
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject:

sadyang isa nga po syang bayani.. kahit bago sya pumanaw ay ipinakita nya ito sa kanyang mga salita..

"ang mamatay sa lupang sinilangan"

hats down po!!
mencheeqf
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: SEPTEMBER 25th CELEBRATION

GREETINGS FROM NEW YORK...

CONGRATULATIONS on the First Celebration honoring Dada Mariano on his birthday, he who made known the town of Paete as the Carving Capital of the Philippines...as it happened, every year it's also my birthday!

Thanks Mayor Ka Noel and Vice Mutuk, and the Sangguniang Bayan. Mabuhay ang Paete...

Carmencita "Menchee" Quesada Fulgado, PhD
Great grand-daughter of Mariano Madrinan
Older of Two Daughters of Eliseo Madrinan Quesada
vermad
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject:

Vice:

Thanks for sharing the beatiful pictures.
leeq
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Thank you for this celebrations

sayang nasa LA ang Tita Amalia Fadul, direct apo ng
Tandang Ano, for her annual heart-pacemaker checkup.
kung nasa QCity sana siya seguradong nakaattend siya
dito. Tita Ella naman at Tita Madre ay retired na sa
Siena College sa Bulacan at both naka wheelchair na.

in behalf of these Quesada sisters who are the direct
grandchildren of Tandang Ano in their mother's family tree.. my beloved aunt Inang Banang (Estebana
Madrinan Quesada), i share the sense of belonging in
this celebration of the 150th anniversary of our Master Woodcarver!

Thank you all, the Barangays all look beautiful in their uniforms, the teachers, the students, Ka Noel tila inspired ka sa mga araw na ito Smile <joking> i luv your shirt, and to all the folks in Paete... last but not least Vice Mutuk! Mabuuhay!
tlee
mutuk
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject:

Pag gunita at pag aalay ng bulaklak para sa ika 151 Taong Kaarawan ng Pambayang Bayani

MARIANO BALDEMOR MADRIÑAN
Born: September 25, 1858
Died: January 7, 1939


Septyembre 25, 2009 araw ng Biyernes ika 8 n.u.






Banda 15 - (Banda Kabataan)








Pagkatapao po ng programa ay magkakaroon ng tree planting ang mga empleyado ng munisipyo sa ating kabundukan.


















Brgy. Ibaba del Sur


Brgy. Maytoong


Habang nag aalay po ng bulaklak ay tumutugtog ng Happy Birthday ang Banda Kabataan.
Gratis po ang kanilang pagtugtog.
Maraming Salamat po!



Brgy. Ermita


Brgy. Quinale


Brgy. Ilaya del Sur


Brgy. Ilaya del Norte


Brgy. Bagumbayan


Brgy. Bangkusay


Brgy. Ibaba del Norte


Paete Elem. School


Quinale Elem. School


Ibaba Elem. School




San Antonio Abad School




Liceo de Paete


Nativity Montessori School


PSBC


PEMQMNHS


Kwerpo ng Pulisya at Pamatay Sunog


Sangguniang Bayan


Municipal Employees






HAPPY BIRTHDAY PO!!!

mutuk
PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject:



Note: Ang Kasuotan po ay Barong Tagalog/Filipiniana.



Pinakamaningning na Alagad ng Sining ng Laguna 2008 http://www.paete.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6119


Pinakamaningning na Alagad ng Sining ng Laguna 2007 http://www.paete.org/forums/vi.....p;start=25


Pinakamaningning na Alagad ng Sining ng Laguna 2006 http://www.paete.org/forums/vi.....=7569#7569
mutuk
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject:

paetechie
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject:

y@m@k wrote:


Vice, would you consider holding an exhibit of all the great pieces made by Tandang Ano in the future?



tama yan. that's the way to do it. gather them in place, tell the world, and they will come...

btw, I found a website that details how the Amsterdam Exposition was organized, even sketches and maps of the place.

http://parallel.park.org/Nethe.....ndex_2.htm

pwede siguro pa-blow up yung picture para sa exhibition at wala na copyright yun
mutuk
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject:

y@m@k wrote:


Vice, would you consider holding an exhibit of all the great pieces made by Tandang Ano in the future?

Mabuhay!


Yamak,

Salamat sa idea!!! Maganda yan!!!

vice mutuk
mutuk
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject:

LIWANAG NA WALANG KATAPUSAN
Parokya ng San Santiago Apostol
Paete, Laguna




Flores de Maria


Maikling Kwento ng
Mahal na Birhen de las Flores


Noong 1903, nagpunta sa bahay ni G. Mariano B. Madrinan o Tandang Ano ang Samahan ng mga kabinataan at kadalagahan dito sa bayan ng Paete na tinatawag noong 1903 hanggang sa kasalukuyan na Liwanag na Walang Katapusan.

Itinanong nila kay Tandang Ano ang dapat nilang ipagawang imahen ng Mahal na Birhen na gagamitin nila sa Flores de mayo. Tumugon si Tandang Ano sa samahan ng kabinataan at kadalagahan o Liwanag na Walang Katapusan, sa pamumuno ni G. Casiano Quesada, na meron siyang ginawang dalawang ulo ng imahen ng Mahal na Birhen ng Immaculada Concepcion na pagawa ng isang Kastila noong 1901 at ito ay hindi na binalikan dahil nagkaroon na ng digmaan ang Kastila at Amerikano dito sa Pilipinas. Na dahil sa labis na pagkamangha ni Tandang Ano sa ganda ng pagkagawa niya ng unang ulo ng imahen ay gumawa siya ng replica para kung sakaling bumalik ang Kastila na nagpapagawa sa kanya ay ang replica niyang ginawa ang siya niyang ibibigay, ngunit hindi na ito bumalik kaya nanatili na kay Tandang Ano ang dalawang ulo ng Birhen na ngayon ay may titulong Mahal na Birhen ng de las Flores. Ang replica ng mahal na birhen ay siya nating ginagamit sa pag aalay ng mga bulaklak araw araw, at ang orihinal na imahen ang siya namang ginagamit tuwing huling linggo ng Mayo kung saan natin ipinagdiriwang ang Flores de Maria.



shiecabisidan
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Salamat Vice!

Maraming salamat po sa pag post ninyo tugkol sa ating pambayang bayani, di na ako nangusumi mag open ng history books para maka gather ng data about our own hero. Ilalahathala ko po kase Gat. Madriñan sa aming newsletter."Ang Parola" ng IES. Thanks! Very Happy
y@m@k
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject:

Maraming salamat Vice Mutuk and Botits for the replies. Enlightening informations indeed, though we created more questions than answers, its always good to have "something" than nothing Very Happy

Vice, would you consider holding an exhibit of all the great pieces made by Tandang Ano in the future?

Botits, I bought a "replica" of that medal... Siguro maganda mayroon tayo kahit yun lang Smile

Regards to you both.
Mabuhay!
mutuk
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject:

Tito,

Maraming salamat!!!

I really appreciate your contributions para sa kaliwanagan ng lahat.

Kung sakaling may mapansin kang muli o maidagdag pa sa aking posting o maging sa mga future postings para sa ikalilinaw nito ay welcome kong tatanggapin.

Muli, ang aking pasasalamat,
vice mutuk
paetechie
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: more from NHI thru Ambeth Ocampo

below is the reply i got from NHI's Ambeth Ocampo. Seems the 1882 is a typographical error plus the claim on the medal of honor which is different from a gold medal. the book by Cornelio Africano, however, has an account on what happened to the medal.

I found a replica of the gold medal in the exposition on eBay here if you want to buy one Razz

it's sad that the event, the medal and the original mater was not well-documented. wala pa kasi masyado paparazzi that time. all the links i have about the exposition are in french or german and online translation need lots of improvement

probably the original is stashed away in a castle or museum in Spain

note also that the exposition focused on the colonies and trade that's why entries from the Philippines, a Spanish colony, were exhibited.

problem with the research is that we're now having more questions than answers Razz


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22 October 2008




Greetings from the National Historical Institute!



This is to acknowledge the receipt of your e-mail dated 8 October 2008 requesting information on Mariano Madriñan's Mater Dolorosa.



Initial research revealed that after he won a gold medal in the Amsterdam Exposition in 1882 for his Mater Dolorosa (Sorrowful mother), King Alfonso XII of Spain awarded him a medal of honor and diploma. According to the book, Paete Bayang Masining, Bayang Pinoy by Cornelio T. Africano, Madriñan received the diploma while the medal was confiscated by the captain of the town before it could reach him. He never received the medal because he came from a colonized country and he was an indio. Later, he burned the diploma that he kept for quite some time in order not to remember the insult he experienced.



Further, it was not clear what had happened to the original statue that won the award. It was reported that it was given as a gift to the Spanish royal family, as was the practice during that time.



Sincerely,




AMBETH R. OCAMPO

Chairman
paetechie
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject:

Vice,

ako uli, took a while to get the answer from NHI kasi sira yung download section ng website nila sinumbong ko kay Prof. Ambeth
Razz

this is the one on their file on our kababayan:

MARIANO MADRIÑAN
(1858-1939)

Noted Religious Sculptor

Known for his realistic and detailed wood carvings, Mariano Madriñan hailed from
Paete, Laguna. At the time of his birth on September 26, 1858, the town was already famous for
its woodcarving industry.

At an early age, he was exposed to various sculptors making mostly religious images for
churches and private homes. Before he was 10, he himself displayed remarkable talent in the
craft. He improved his skills as a sculptor when he trained with Bonifacio Arevalo.

Arevalo (1850-1920), Madriñan’s contemporary was a prominent resident of Quiapo,
Manila. A dentist by profession, he was also a superb carver who supplied religious images to
various churches. Arevalo was known for works such as the ones depicting the Immaculate
Conception (La Purisima Concepcion) and Saint Raphael. He was also a patron of the arts,
having sponsored fellow sculptors and painters and supported a musical band which bore his
name. His generous assistance to Madriñan as a mentor and friend helped his colleague pursue
his calling as a sculptor.

In 1883, Madriñan sent one of his works, a Mater Dolorosa image, a sorrowful depiction
of the Virgin Mary after the crucifixion and burial of Christ, to the universal exposition in
Amsterdam, in the Netherlands. The image won popular acclaim and earned for him a plaque of
recognition from King Alfonso of Spain.

Later, his friend Arevalo presented his own work, El Cristo de Velasquez (The Christ of
Velasquez) at the Exposicion Regional de Filipinas in 1895. A three-dimensional interpretation
of Velasquez’s painting, it won for Arevalo a gold medal.

In his later years, Madriñan continued making religious images and sculptures which
were praised for their detailed and life-like presentation.

He died on January 7, 1939.

References:

Manuel, E. Arsenio. Dictionary of Philippine Biography Volume 1
. Quezon City: Filipiniana
Publications, 1955.

Tiongson, Nicanor, ed. Encyclopedia of Philippine Art Volume 4
. Manila: Cultural Center of the
Philippines, 1994.


----

i also requested for the file on Bonifacio Arevalo (another way to research for relatives or an art scholar)

there's another post coming up
mutuk
PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject:

Yamak,

Thank you for clarifying your concerns. Will include them on my research.

Sa totoo lang, may kahirapan itong kaso ni Tandang Ano. Hindi naidokumento ng maganda ang kanyang original na Mater Dolorosa dahil siguro sa maraming bagay. Di tulad ng Spoliarium ni Juan Luna na bukod sa magandang kalalagayan sa buhay noon at nakapag aral ang pintor ay nandun siya mismo sa lugar ng paligsahan at naidokumento ng husto dahil na rin kina Jose Rizal na sa isang pagtitipon ng mga Pilipino doon ay nabigyan ng kaukulang pansin sa kadahilanang komo isang indio ay hindi naigawad ang Medal of Honor kay Juan Luna sa kanyang Spoliarium.

Marami na akong napagtanong tanungan din pero halos iisa ang kanilang sagot. Ang original na Mater Dolorosa ay hindi na naibalik kay Tandang Ano at hindi na rin naalaman pa kung anong nangyari dito.

Tulad mo, marami din akong katanungan. Kaya nga noong pasinayaan ang busto ni Tandang Ano noong nakaraang Sept 25, 2008 ay minabuti naming ang imbitahin ay mula sa HACO (History , Arts and Culture Office) at Tourism office ng Laguna Prov'l. Government upang makatulong sila sa paghanap ng nawawalang pahinang ito ng kasaysayan. Pinlano din namin na imbitahing una si Ambeth Ocampo ng NHI upang siyang maging pangunahing bisita noon sa suhestyon na rin ni Kon. Cosico ngunit dahil halos durut na rin ang naging preparasyon ay hindi kami pinalad na siya ay matiyempuhan. Nakausap din si Cecilia Guidote Alvarez ng NCCA ngunit siya ay nasa ibang bansa noong panahong yun kayat di uubra na maging panauhin natin dito sa Paete.

Sa tulong ng bawat isa, ako ay naniniwala at pasasaan baga yun at atin ding matitiyempuhan ang di pa makitang tala ng kasaysayan ukol sa original na Mater Dolorosa ni Tandang Ano.

Di mo man naitanong, yung sa first prize issue naman, okey lang sa akin na hindi na muna ito gamitin habang hindi pa nabibigyan ng linaw. Tutal tanggap naman ninuman yung iba pang naging kaganapan tulad ng Gold Medal at yung pagkilala ni Haring Alfonso XII ng Espanya.

Ang akin munang aasikasuhin ngayon ay yung sa kasaysayan ng replica kung ano ang mga naganap bago ito napunta sa mga Quesada. For record purposes lang po. At pag nakakita pa ako ng ibang ulat o articles ukol kay Tandang Ano ay i-post ko rin dito.
y@m@k
PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject:

Vice and others,

My interest in knowing how the Alfonso XII version looks like today is not in deciding which one is better -- I expect that both of them are pretty good anyway. Instead, I'd like to see:

1. how identical they really are -- since presumably the Tandang Ano's intent was to make the Paete version (the "twin") as close as possible to the prize-winning Alfonso XII version.

2. how they have stood up to the passage of time -- e.g., have the respective images' original encarnas been retained, and how have their widely different domiciles affected such preservation?

3. how the Alfonso XII version is dressed today -- and if photos are extant, how it was dressed when it won the international art competition at the Amsterdam Exposition in 1883.

These are some of the questions raised by members of Hermandad de la Sagrada Pasion de Jesus, an organization recognized by the Vatican, who attended the "Encuentro" Celebration in Paete last March.

Salamat po!
mutuk
PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject:

paetechie wrote:
mutuk wrote:
paetechie wrote:

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In fact, the coveted "medal of honor," the highest award during that time (not the gold medal), was not awarded in 1884


“Among these sculptors of the late seventies was a modest and pious middle-aged man named Mariano Madriñan. In the year 1882, he received a diploma of award and a medal of honor from King Alfonso XII of Spain for his MATER DOLOROSA, a magnificent work of art which was exhibited at the International Exposition held in Amsterdam, Holland,


Vice, ako uli Razz

there's an error here. the exposition in Amsterdam was in 1883, not 1882.

Madrinan was awarded the gold medal, that is the undeniable truth; but not the medal of honor, it's different and more coveted than the gold medal.


Tito,

Heto pa ang isa kong source.

Mula naman kay Tutubi (Backpacking Philippines and Asia):


"the Mater Dolorosa, the last image of the procession, is actually the exact replica of an image Mariano Madriñan made and received a medal from King Alfonso XII of Spain Medal of Honor when it was exhibited at the Amsterdam International exposition of 1882 ."

here is the link http://www.backpackingphilippi.....paete.html

I am just joking Tito. Laughing

paetechie wrote:

In order to dig deeper, I requested official records and information from the NHI. I expect a reply after a week and hope to find "new" information on our famous kababayan.


Joking aside, Thanks for the initiative Tutubi. Very Happy
paetechie
PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: ambeth ocampo article

here's a timely article from Ambeth Ocampo, published just yesterday in the Philippine Daily Inquirer, regarding how we should interpret the Gold and Silver medals of international expositions:

"Like Luna, who left Madrid for Rome to work with his teacher Alejo Vera, Hidalgo joined the company of Spanish painters in the Eternal City. It was in Rome that he was immersed in the history and stories of ancient Rome, thus producing “Virgenes Cristianas Expuestas al Populacho” [“Christian Virgins Exposed to the Mob”], which won a silver medal in the 1884 Madrid Exposition of Fine Arts. In the same Exposition, Luna was awarded the gold medal for “Spoliarium.” From then on Hidalgo would always be a quiet shadow to Luna.

From then on, according to our textbooks, Luna and Hidalgo became the first international Filipino painters. Then, as now, they made us feel good as a people, like Manny Pacquiao winning in the boxing ring.

However, we have to rein in our enthusiasm and remember that these gold and silver medals should not be seen as Olympic gold, silver and bronze medals. Luna did not win “first place” and Hidalgo, “second place.” Luna garnered one gold medal out of the three that were given out that year. He was not awarded the much-coveted Medal of Honor, which was withheld in 1884. Hidalgo won one silver medal out of at least 15 given out that year."

now I have a direct quote from a noted scholar who actually went to Europe to locate and consult original sources and records. Prof. Ocampo also disclosed there were 3 gold medals that year awarded in 1884, including Luna's, but Juan Luna did not win first prize because there really is no such thing as first prize in expositions.

the same is true for the 1883 exposition where our kababayan won a gold medal, the first for a Filipino, but not to be interpreted as "first prize."

Nonetheless, Mariano Madrinan is the first international Filipino sculptor, the first Filipino to win a gold medal in an International Exposition.

In order to dig deeper, I requested official records and information from the NHI. I expect a reply after a week and hope to find "new" information on our famous kababayan.
paetechie
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject:

mutuk wrote:
Botits,

Sorry! Hindi pala ako nakapag log in dun sa huli kong posting na darkred ang letra.


di ko rin napansin, I addressed you as Anonymous Razz

mutuk wrote:

Palagay ko naman ang nililinaw lang ni Tito ay yung sa pagiging first prize winner nung obra ni Tandang Ano. Hamo at ihahanap natin ito ng kasagutan o kaliwanagan sa mga kinauukulan.



Vice,

nilinaw ko na yan sa taas

the National Historical Institute's office is on T.M. Kalaw St in Manila, same building as the National Library.

official website: http://www.nhi.gov.ph

dyan may resibo saka baka nga ma-trace natin yung orihinal na imahen at yung medalya

mutuk wrote:

Dahil dito parang gusto ko ngang pumunta sa Europe Very Happy Laughing
Kailan kaya ang summit dun? Very Happy Laughing ]


sama ako, gusto ko rin yan Razz
paetechie
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject:

Anonymous wrote:


Bago tayo pumalaot, mayroon lang akong nais linawin.

Ang iyo bagang nililinaw ay yuong pagkapanalo ng unang gantimpala (first prize) o yung bilang pagkakahirang kay Tandang Ano bilang Pambayang Bayani ng Paete?


anonymous,

malinaw ko naman po sinasabi ngayon sa wikang tagalog na hindi ako tutol sa gawad na yan. Ni hindi ko rin tinatangging nagkamit ng gintong medalya. Sinabi ko rin po na dapat naman syang bigyan ng karangalan ng ating bayan

ang punto ko lang talaga, nanalo sya ng gintong medalya pero hindi ibig sabihin nanalo sya ng unang karangalan

ang Exposition ng 1883 ay hindi po katulad ng Olympics na pag meron kang gintong medalya, ay ikaw na rin ang "first prize." Hindi po ganyan ang pangyayari-- marami po silang nanalo ng gintong medalya.

sa parehong pangyayari, si Juan Luna ay nanalo ng gintong medalya at si Felix Hldalgo ng medalyang pilak ng Exposition ng 1884, sumunod na taon ng pagkapanalo ng ating kababayan, pero hindi po ibig sabihin First Prize si Luna at Second place si Hidalgo. Hindi po ganun ang takbo ng Exposition noong araw.

wala po akong sinabing inimbento ng pamilya Madrinan ang pagkapanalo ng ginto, alam na po ng lahat na yan ay totoo pero ang medalya, kung atin pong makikita, ay maidadagdag sa yamang pang-kultura ng Paete, nararapat ipagmalaki buong mundo.

ang aking suhestyon nga kay Vice Mutuk ay dapat ikonsulta ang bagay na ito sa National Historical Institute for the "official version," may resibo po lahat ang kanilang version at hindi hango lang sa kung saan-saan, dapat po lahat ng ating ituturo sa ibang tao, sa inyong mga anak (ako po ay wala pang anak) ay pawang suportado ng "resibo." Kung meron nga pong taga-Paete na nasa Amsterdam at Madrid ngayon ay maaring ma-silip ang orihinal na dokumento ng naturang pangyayari (na ginagawa po talaga ng mga tunay na iskolar)

anong malay po natin, sa ating mala-iskolar na pananaliksik ay malaman din natin kung nasaan ang orihinal na imahen at ang nawawalang medalya ay maiuwi sa Paete.

lahat po tayo'y mas magiging masaya!
mutuk
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject:

Botits,

Sorry! Hindi pala ako nakapag log in dun sa huli kong posting na darkred ang letra.

Yamak,

Sorry din! Wala pa akong makuhang info. Hindi ko pa matiyempuhan yung nakakaalam nito. Hamo at i-post ko pag may nakuha na ako. Mahirap kasing mag post ng wala man lang basehan na panghahawakan.

Palagay ko naman ang nililinaw lang ni Tito ay yung sa pagiging first prize winner nung obra ni Tandang Ano. Hamo at ihahanap natin ito ng kasagutan o kaliwanagan sa mga kinauukulan.

Dahil dito parang gusto ko ngang pumunta sa Europe Very Happy Laughing
Kailan kaya ang summit dun? Very Happy Laughing
y@m@k
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:55 am Post subject:

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Such a great news for the people of Paete and the skeptics around our town!

Any details to what happened to the original head?
If this Dolorosa is the "replica" of the prize-winning entry, when was this "replica" made?

Thanks very much!

__________________________________________________

I havent received an answer to my posts 2 1/5 weeks ago and been glued to my screen everyday if someone will attend to my hanging questions Very Happy

Anyhow, I guess it's about time to form a Committee of some sort about all these accounts and claims once and for all, (like a Fact-Finding Cmte maybe). It's not too late.


Maraming salamat sa mga kababayang handang magbigay ng oras at halaga sa usaping ito para sa kaalaman ng nakararami. Mabuhay po kayo!

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