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#1: TOURISM BROCHURE Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:03 am
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Tito,
Here's the scanned copy of our Toursim Brochure for everyone to see.









#2: Write-up Author: TonyB PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:45 am
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>>> Contributing Writers – 14,500

Ka Noel,

I think my brother Tito have many valid points. For example, I cannot see anything in that brochure that will cost P14,500 for the writers. May I know who are the writers? Are they Paetenians? If so, can't they just write pro-bono?

Or is it the bidder SEPMAR provided us the write-up? I think it's grossly disadvantageous to us given that the write-up can be easily done by any Paetenian pro-bono.

I don't think it's malicious to ask for some clarification.

Tony

#3: Contract, receipts Author: TonyB PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:11 pm
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Ka Noel,

It would be better if you can also provide us the scanned copy of the contract with SEPMAR Enterprises, and the official BIR receipts that is pertinent to the contract.

Just for clarification purpose lang po.

Thanks.
Tony

#4:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Let me state my comments here at the forum since I am not a member of the Mailing List anymore. I only read all the messages thru the links posted here at USAP and from phone calls I had with "kababayan's" staying in Paete.

I've been in the legal printing business for years and we have a lay-out/design team working on a brochure job from time to time. These brochures act as a selling material or to promote something BIG to anyone who sees it. This seems to me that the brochure is more of a Comic Book Hand-Out Release than a Tourism Brochure.

I wonder if the Sanggunian launched a Project Design team for this. Or it should've been better if the Sanggunian had some sort of design contest from the local Paetenian Artists and students in Paete or abroad, and let the Department Of Tourism decide which is the best brochure Paete should release. I bet, you'll get tons of entries,,, then DOT will be proud to distribute them, and the people of Paete as well!

#5:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:46 pm
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Tony,
Criticism is ok, in fact it is good. But accusations based only on self opinion are malicious. When he posted his first comment about the quality of the brochure, I said there are some valid points that could be incorporated next time we print another set of brochures. But when he posted his printed accusation that we just wasted the tax payers money because DOT them selves refused to distribute the brochures being too embarrassing, (which allegation was denied by DOT personnel at all level), I think this is not only malicious but bordering libel.

Yes, the writers are Paetenians, but they requested anonymity at the moment for reasons they only know.

I’m not sure if I can post the contract with SEPMAR Ent. It may constitute breach of confidentiality. However, as I told your brother, you can, or anybody can scrutinize the documents in our Accounting Dept. any time of your convenience. Or better still, if you can file a verified complaint to COA or Ombudsman so that the people behind this project could be given a chance to vindicate themselves from the impression of all those who are reading this, that there was an anomalous transaction behind this brochures.

I’m sorry if the brochures did not pass the discriminating eyes of people like you who are “brochure experts”. But these “embarrassing” brochures have propelled us to be one of the most important tourism icons in Laguna. Since its distribution last November 2005, we are now averaging 30 buses and 1,500 visitors a month. We are way ahead in our tourism promotion. We are the only Municipality who is a member of PHILTOA, the largest Tour Operator Association in the country. Even the Provincial Tourism Council is following our lead on how to be a member of this prestigious organization.

I’m sorry if this will be my last posting under this subject. I don’t have the luxury of time to answer everything you ask. But I will say again, you are most welcome to look at all the documents you think are necessary to satisfy your curiosity. They are available in our Accounting office all the time.

FOOD FOR THOUHT!
(The ten angels of Abraham Lincoln)

"If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the very best I know how - the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference."

Abraham Lincoln

“Kung sasagutin ko ang lahat ng upasala, maaaring ipasara ko na lang ang aking opisina at sagutin na lamang ng sagutin ang mga ito. Nagawa ko ng lahat ang dapat kong gawin, at gagawin ko pa sa abot ng aking makakaya.

Kung ang wakas ay makapagpapatunay na ang aking mga ginawa ay tama, mawawalan ng saysay ang lahat ng upasala.

Kung ang wakas ay makapagpapatunay na ang aking mga ginawa ay mali, kahit sampung (10) anghel pa ang sumumpang ito ay tama, ay wala pa ring saysay!”

#6: more q's Author: TonyB PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:09 am
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kanoel wrote:
Tony,
Criticism is ok, in fact it is good. But accusations based only on self opinion are malicious. When he posted his first comment about the quality of the brochure, I said there are some valid points that could be incorporated next time we print another set of brochures. But when he posted his printed accusation that we just wasted the tax payers money because DOT them selves refused to distribute the brochures being too embarrassing, (which allegation was denied by DOT personnel at all level), I think this is not only malicious but bordering libel.


Ka Noel,

That may be the case with the way my brother brought it up, but that is hardly the case with my inquiry.


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Yes, the writers are Paetenians, but they requested anonymity at the moment for reasons they only know.


I am sure they have very good reasons, but I don't think TRANSPARENCY is one of them.


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I’m not sure if I can post the contract with SEPMAR Ent. It may constitute breach of confidentiality.


You may be right.


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However, as I told your brother, you can, or anybody can scrutinize the documents in our Accounting Dept. any time of your convenience.


Which also constitutes a breach of confidentiality I suppose.


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Or better still, if you can file a verified complaint to COA or Ombudsman so that the people behind this project could be given a chance to vindicate themselves from the impression of all those who are reading this, that there was an anomalous transaction behind this brochures.


I am not saying there was an anomaly. I was only wondering about the overprice for example on the writers' fee. We cannot help remove the impression if basic facts cannot even be brought to light because some people refuse to identify themselves. If I have to be blunt, I am sure the writers (there is more than one?) enjoy your full confidence with regards to why they can command 14,500 pesos for a few hundred words of "write-up".


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I’m sorry if the brochures did not pass the discriminating eyes of people like you who are “brochure experts”.


I am not passing myself off as a brochure expert.


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But these “embarrassing” brochures have propelled us to be one of the most important tourism icons in Laguna. Since its distribution last November 2005, we are now averaging 30 buses and 1,500 visitors a month. We are way ahead in our tourism promotion. We are the only Municipality who is a member of PHILTOA, the largest Tour Operator Association in the country. Even the Provincial Tourism Council is following our lead on how to be a member of this prestigious organization.


I agree that my Brother Tito may have come off too strong with his words but whether the brochure is successful or not to attract visitors is irrelevant to the point I was clarifying, although refutes my brother's allegation. But to the clarification I was seeking, this is what we call a red herring.


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I’m sorry if this will be my last posting under this subject. I don’t have the luxury of time to answer everything you ask. But I will say again, you are most welcome to look at all the documents you think are necessary to satisfy your curiosity. They are available in our Accounting office all the time.


I am sorry too if you felt that I am wasting your time with just my curiosity. I was only clarifying something which I thought is to the best interest of the community. I am not accusing you of anything or saying you benefitted from it.

But anyway, thanks for your precious time. I will keep in mind that any clarification is just a waste of your precious time.


Tony

#7: Writers Author: TonyB PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:36 am
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Vice Mutuk <wink> <wink>

Baka maibulong mo sa akin kung sino-sino yun mga writers. Baka kasi magpagawa ako ng biography ko. <joke> <joke>

But I am serious dun sa bulong mo. I know you can find the time. Smile

Please send it to me here - paetenian @ yahoo . com

cheers! <wink>
Tony

#8:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:08 am
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Tony, bubulungan kita mamaya pag-uwi ko sa bahay Idea

#9: Re: Writers Author: cvafuang PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:34 pm
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tony.basa wrote:
Vice Mutuk <wink> <wink>

Baka maibulong mo sa akin kung sino-sino yun mga writers. Baka kasi magpagawa ako ng biography ko. <joke> <joke>

But I am serious dun sa bulong mo. I know you can find the time. Smile

Please send it to me here - paetenian @ yahoo . com

cheers! <wink>
Tony



'bigan Tony,

just a piece of unsolicited advise....

Make sure that your would be source has a "direct knowledge" of the information you're trying to get, otherwise, its going to be inadmissible and will be branded as 'hearsay' or 'double hearsay', etc., in other words 'tsismis' lang, ang sabi nga nila:lol: Laughing

cheers!
ka cesar

#10: Re: Brochures! Author: tukayo! PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:35 pm
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Ang dami talagang magagaling sa ating bayan
ng Paete....LOL! Laughing

#11: Re: Brochures! Author: Guest PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:11 pm
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tukayo! wrote:
Ang dami talagang magagaling sa ating bayan
ng Paete....LOL! Laughing




magaling din gumawa nito:

http://paete.blogspot.com/

#12: Re: Overpriced Write-up Author: TonyB PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:33 am
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cvafuang wrote:

'bigan Tony,

just a piece of unsolicited advise....

Make sure that your would be source has a "direct knowledge" of the information you're trying to get, otherwise, its going to be inadmissible and will be branded as 'hearsay' or 'double hearsay', etc., in other words 'tsismis' lang, ang sabi nga nila:lol: Laughing

cheers!
ka cesar



Hi Ka Cesar,

I don't really put a premium on hearsay that's why I endeavored to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Anyway, I already got it from that blog (before it was deleted) and from somebody in Paete (not Indoy). But I don't just believe anything I read or hear. If you will notice I was forming my opinion on the matter based on two items that Ka Noel himself provided, namely, the picture of the brochure and the breakdown of items. It just caught my attention that a very short "write-up" costs P14,500. In the context of Paete, a steep price to pay and IMHO is grossly disadvantageous to the munisipyo. And then there is the sad part that they are taga-Paete rin pala, pwede naman siguro PRO-BONO na lang yung write-up, tutal LESS THAN 200 WORDS lang naman yun. Kung baga, balato na, hindi naman iba e.

Unless there are more pages in the brochure, and ignoring the shorter captions accompanying the pictures, here is the 14,500 pesos write-up:

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Paete is nestled between picturesque Laguna de Bay and verdant Sierra Madre, where each patch of ground shows the fruits of Paetenos talents and labors, such as sculptures, papier mache and other handicrafts, along with the sweetest lanzones in the country.

It offers its visitors an array of scenes and wonders. Among them are its centuries-old church filled with religious statues carved by its own artists, landmarks and monuments, a waterfall from atop its fruit tree-covered hills, a promenade along the legendary lake, woodcarving and handicraft shops, and fruit stalls along its streets. All bear the marks of a people vibrant in today's creative living as well as proud of their historic past.


No wonder the two chose to remain silent. Baka maraming humingi ng balato sa kanila. Very Happy

cheers!
Tony

#13: Re: Overpriced Write-up Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:14 pm
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One more thing I noticed: The caption under the Salubong picture which says:

"At "Salubong" the Passion of Christ is depicted in a scene where Mother Mary meets her Son on His way to the cross"

Correct me if I am wrong, because the picture in the brochure is the scene of Nazareno and Veronica, I dont think one of the councilmen who is very familiar of this scene saw the PROOF before it was printed.

#14: Re: Overpriced Write-up Author: TonyB PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:50 pm
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Hi Indoy, saan ka ngayon? Uuwi ka ba sa Holy Week?

indoy wrote:
One more thing I noticed: The caption under the Salubong picture which says:

"At "Salubong" the Passion of Christ is depicted in a scene where Mother Mary meets her Son on His way to the cross"



LOLz. I thought The Christ was carrying the cross itself?

Maybe the "writer" meant, "on his way WITH the cross", as the picture suggests, or "on his way to the hill of skulls (Golgotha)". There goes the 29,500 pesos in managing/editing fee.

Joke joke. I think we should just charge this to experience.

cheers!
Tony

#15:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:40 pm
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Yo Tony!

Nandito na ako sa Nashville, Tennessee. I got a better job offer kaya iniwan ko na Chicago Smile.

Umuwi na ako nung January, nakipag-Salibanda kaya nga nakita ko na yung brochures LOL. Hindi na ako makakauwi ng Holy Week for the first time dahil baka ako na ang hulihin Shocked at isama sa Senakulo.

Mukhang mauuwi na lang lahat to sa kumustahan ah! hehehe Mr. Green

#16:  Author: alex.basaLocation: Alexander Acuram Basa PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:11 am
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Hehehe 29.5k charge to experience. Sarap naman mag manage at edit ng brochures. Sana ganyan din rate ko sa minamanage ko na project ngayon. I assume hindi rin puwede malaman ang pangalan nila because they value their privacy. Ok ah mas mahalaga ang CONFIDENTIALITY kesa TRANSPARENCY.

#17: Isulong Po Natin... Author: panauhin PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:04 pm
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...Ang Kulturang Mapagmatyag at Lipunang Magpapaunlad Ng Ating Pampulitikang Pananaw"

Magiliw na Pagbati!

Tunay pong makabuluhan na talakayin ang mga interes ng ating minamahal na makasaysayan at Sinilangang Bayan.

Sana po'y maging produktibo ang mga usaping pumapaksa sa pagtataguyod ng pagkakakilanlan ng ating mayaman na kultura.

Gaano man po ka-sensitibo ang laman, pangunahing hangarin ng pangkaramihan pa rin po sana ang mangibabaw.

Huwag po sana masamain ng sino man ang paglalahad ng mga ikalilinaw ng mga bagay-bagay na alam nating mahahalaga sa ating pamumuhay.

Panawagan ng Pagkilos!

Ipagpatuloy po natin na harapin at solusyunan ang mga pangunahing hinaing ng ating mga kababayan sa pamamagitan ng mapagmatyag at mapanuring pakikipagpalitan ng makabuluhang mungkahiin, pananaw at kapupulutan ng mabubuting aral na may katangiang mapagsa-alang-alang sa karapatang marinig ang bawat panig, prinsipyado at mapagmahal sa ikabubuti ng pangkaramihan upang maiwasan po ang hindi pagkakaunawaan o ipagkakahati-hati at manapa'y magbigay daan sa pagkakaisa at sama-samang paglilingkod sa bayan.

Mabuhay po tayong lahat.

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#18: 73,000 pesos question Author: TonyB PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:45 am
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alex.basa wrote:
Hehehe 29.5k charge to experience. Sarap naman mag manage at edit ng brochures. Sana ganyan din rate ko sa minamanage ko na project ngayon. I assume hindi rin puwede malaman ang pangalan nila because they value their privacy. Ok ah mas mahalaga ang CONFIDENTIALITY kesa TRANSPARENCY.


It's not only 29.5k. Ka Noel, in his message to the Paete ML, where nobody seems to have noticed - dead ma lahat - he gave the breakdown as follows:

Quoted from Paete ML message:
Quote:

1. Brochure –P122,000 (5,000 pcs)
Break down of price:

a) Managing/Editing – 29,500
b) Contributing Writers – 14,500
c) Photography – 14,500
d) Layout – 14,500
e) Printing – 49,000


If SEPMAR the publisher charged 49,000 pesos for printing 5,000 copies (I don't have any idea on prnting costs so I am not going to dwell on that), it seems that the cost of the brochure minus the printing amounts to pesos 73,000. Charge that to experience as well. Whoever created the brochure must truly be very talented to command such a steep price. I think the munisipyo should not hire their services again. Maybe the SB got carried away because they were told their pictures will be in it as the star attraction. If ever, I just hope when the munisipyo gave the writers and the photographers their cheques, kaltas na yung withholding tax. Smile If we have more of this kind of services, someday we will be very wise indeed with the experience.

cheers!
tony.basa

#19: We need to step in Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:06 pm
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When I wrote the following article for Philippine Star, I intended it not just to share with the rest of the Philippines the alay computer project, but also to open our eyes to possible synergistic activities.

http://paete.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=879

We need to understand how the system works so that we can make the system work for us. The BAC will not be able to choose between competing bids if there is only one bidder. PAETEch could have played a role in developing these brochures, but then again, we need to know the rules. PAETEch has officers other than the mayor (the rules with regard to government contracts precludes the participation of the mayor). These other officers need to look at these possible opportunities. The facilities afforded by the schools plus the resources and expertise of the teachers should have been explored for developing the brochures. This will perhaps lead to a better brochure, but at the same time, would have provided the much needed financial assistance of the schools. But for this to happen, we need to understand the system and the rules. Can an NGO like PAETEch participate in a program like this? How can we make these possible and legal?

We need to step in especially if we have ideas worth pursuing. If we have the future of Paete in our hearts, we need to act. Learning from experience is not possible sitting idly on the sidelines.

#20: THE TOURISM PROGRAM OF PAETE Author: TonyB PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:44 am
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THE TOURISM PROGRAM OF PAETE

I believe, and my belief is shared by the Sangguniang Bayan, that Tourism is probably the only potent project to alleviate the dwindling livelihood of Paete. The only way to attract tourists is to have something good and nice to offer. The Tourist Lane is only one of them. Its purpose is to have an orderly place free of smoke belching, noisy tricycles where tourists can enjoy their tea, coffee or beer along the side walk cafe at J.V. Quesada St. where they can savor our very own "Lutong Paete". After a tiring walk looking for handicrafts, or from an exhausting trip to the Tatlong Cruz, the Tourist Lane would be a perfect rendezvous.

The following are other Tourism projects that are being actively pursued:

1. Tourism Office – MOA signing was done last July 5, 2005 between the Paete Women’s Club (administrator of the puericulture center) and the LGU of Paete, following the SB ordinance designating the same as Tourism Office of Paete.
2. World Class Toilet – appropriated Php 350,000 budget for a tourist toilet along the J.V. Quesada St. Project will start August 2005.
3. Tourist Bus parking lot – Appropriated Php 400,000 for the concreting of the lot donated by then Miss Sonia Adea located at the Wawa park. Project will start July 2005.
4. Tatlong Cruz and “Talon” – Php 2,041,000 grant was approved by the Philippine Tourism Authority last June for the development of the Tatlong Cruz and “talon”
5. Wawa Park – under study by the ERDB for possible inclusion to the nationwide contest on lake shore development.
6. World Class brochure – An on-going project together with the Foundation Book with the able assistance of Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang. Target completion, September 2005.
7. On September 24, 2005, our town will celebrate its 425th Foundation Day. There will be a grand parade and a cultural presentation of the important historical events of our town from the Spanish era to date. The month of September was also designated by the Sangguniang Bayan as the Annual Festival month of Paete, dubbed as the “Lanzones, Ukit-Taka Festival”.
8. The annual “Ice carving competition” will be held at the town plaza on July 24, 2005.
9. We are planning to bid for the Guinness World Records for having the most number of carvers (totaling approx 600 carvers of various medium) gathered in one place at the same time. Target date, September 2005.

Last July 2 & 3, Visivo Production Inc. took video footages of the Roman Catholic Church, Tatlong Cruz, talon, Wawa park, and almost all of the handicraft stores along J.V. Quesada St., to be aired at channels 5 & 9 on July 23 (all gratis).

The inertia of motion has started towards a serious promotion of tourism in our town. It will only stop if an outside force beyond our control will run counter with it. We believe that it could be the next “big thing” in Paete after the wood carving boom.

The lamppost is a very good added attraction. To borrow Ver Madrinan’s words: “It is better to light the proverbial candle instead of cursing darkness."

Ka Noel



This letter was sent after July 15th but before the town fiesta last year. Please don't get me wrong here, I only want to light the proverbial candle. Very Happy

BTW, I got it from here. Another curiosity, is that according to Ka Noel, the transparent bidding happened sometime in October 2005:

Quote:

"1. Invitation to apply for eligibility and to bid posted in all Laguna municipal and capitol bulletin board) from October 14 – 23, 2005)"


I am sure nagkamali lang si Ka Noel. Very Happy


Tony

#21: Re: THE TOURISM PROGRAM OF PAETE Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:36 pm
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[quote="tony.basa"]
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I am sure nagkamali lang si Ka Noel. Very Happy


Tony



Nagkamali nga siguro dahil ano ang Bidding na naganap ng October 2005 kung September 2005 pa lang eh they already have the brochure? Tapos, July 2005 pa lang eh nasa Development Stage na yung brochure.

Oh man!

Naiisip ko tuloy kung yung Lubi-lubi eh kasama sa kalendaryo!

#22: my take on the brochure issue; just another perspective Author: lorenzo9547 PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:25 pm
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Among driven leaders, it could and would happen when one’s overzealousness gets the better of himself. It might have been the case here with this “brochure issue”?

Nowadays, at least among the cyberspace viewers and inter-active participants, this segment of shall we say, Paetenians Community, have become used, maybe spoiled, by instant gratification for and about anything Paetenian, even on supposed town political issues. There is the apparent pleasure in wanting the quickest “news” about something or somebody that is relevantly Paetenian. Hence there is the temptation to “ibigay ang hilig”, albeit pander the promptings. ie. plan an event, make it happen, and give it the biggest splash of colorful exposure. The accustomed “delivering” of almost fantasized expected results seem a given; notwitstanding even some no-expendable personal monetary damage. Pertinently, our Mayor has figured, and I would dare say, successfully to a large extent, in the “delivering” of such many events satisfying to, specifically perhaps, the cyberspace Paetenians. (Of course, I am not crediting all the merits to the Mayor, in fact, a good deal of the input could be credited to, among others, the leader elements of the Paetenian cyberspace community.)

In the light of the above context, allow me to interpolate my own take on the brochure issue. Off-hand, thus, vis a vis the supposed dates discrepancies, it could have been a zealousness to speedily deliver that dates have been jumped over, wika nga, to be ahead of “target” projections. So things got going much faster, and results delivered. And I am not referring so much to the result, meaning, the type of brochures produced, but to what the Mayor has more importantly desired to achieve: already families benefitting with the influx of tourists to Paete, and already Paete getting that consistent limelight over other towns. Now granted that the brochures were below top line quality could later be addressed to produce better ones, and perhaps under much more duress of “business transacting”? The point here is this: it is generating business, according to the Mayor. Right there one major purpose is already accomplished. This is a practical right thing versus an only “imagined”, or rational wrong thing. (Again, this is not to say we are to discard all planning, and meticulousness of transacting. But this could always be done, and re-done/corrected(?) for later.) Did the Municipality lose? Maybe, budgetarily to some “passable” misappropriation, the Municipality lost. But compared to the total picture of Paete currently garnering top tourism advantages, according to Mayor’s report, and I repeat, some Paetenians already making some dough for the enterprise, I see more of a Paete gain. (I say, the dough is here, let’s have it! While you, top local politico-business brass, continue working on improving our marketing tool: the brochures.)

Again, this is not all the Mayor has to do. He is the Mayor and his own one-man Public Relation Agent. But I repeat, by common sense criterion, the Mayor actually deserves credit; but he could use the criticism.

As regards fair play in the bidding, we do not know if any actual interested bidders were excluded. But then again, I do not imagine a full-course bidding business SOPs like they do in the vast world of bidding transactions involving mega deals. Parties to such dealings have all the money and the time to pay heed to the minute iotas of bidding and dealing. But, like I say, it is understandable why the Mayor would rather see Paetenos already “enjoying eating their pudding”.

Renato C. Valdellon

#23:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:48 pm
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I have nothing against the result of such Tourism Promo, it is a matter of how it was processed. Spending this much money for a simple project, like a brochure is not a trial, it is a statement! It is good if we will always have the access to generate and raise funds, and we all know that Paete will not always be a recipient of such government grant for another huge amount of money, I am sorry but this is not as easy as, "this could always be done, and re-done/corrected(?) for later",,, I give credit to the Mayor for all the accomplishments, but there are more questions than answers.

We’ve been in this roller-coaster for quite sometime, In the end what we did here in the forum will only open a few eyes and will give more hatred to us "na mga bata pa na marami pa raw kakaining bigas". Whatever I said came from a true Paetenian, it is what I believed and it is what I stand for.

#24: re: my use of terms Author: lorenzo9547 PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:19 pm
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In case some opt to interpret my take other than what it meant to be I have the following APOLOGIA on my use of terms.
All my words within quotation marks do not carry their original categorical signification. They only assume hypothetical connotation.
Where I use MAY or MAYBE is already implied the above same: less than categorical but hypothetical meaning.
Where my context is statedly subjunctive and not categorical my contention is again less than categorical but only hypothetical.

Thank you.

Renato C Valdellon

#25: Re: re: my use of terms Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:13 pm
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Hi everyone...makikidawdaw ako dito...marami akong nakakakwentuhang mga may ari ng negosyo sa Paete, lahat sila ay dumadaing ng hina ng benta. Napagalaman ko rin na "karamihan" sa dumarating na tourist bus ay mga estudyante ng iba't ibang eskwelahan sa kamaynilaan, escorted by teachers and parents. Papasok silang nakapila sa tindahan, lalabas din ng nakapila sa sandaling panahon, bihira ang bumibili. Madalas nilang puntahan ay ang waterfall natin. Umaasa ako, na sa banda banda riyan ng ating hinaharap, ay mas magandang balita ang aking madidinig, pero lalong grabe ang aking NARIRINIG, sapat na para ako kilabutan sa LAKAS NG LOOB at GARAPAL na mga KUNDISYON!!! Ako, bilang tao, at kayo rin naman, sino ang magsasabing walang kasalanan sa atin? Tanging iisa lang ang aking tatakbuhan...ang Ating Panginoon na siyang nakakaalam, NAKARIRINIG, at SIYA lamang ang BAHALA SA IYO, GARAPAL NA TAO!!! Kasama ang PANGALAN MO sa aking ipinagdarasal.

Salamat sa inyong lahat. Tito, Tony salamat sa mga katanungan ninyo na TALAGANG dapat lang na itanong...MERON din akong tanong, pero isinuko ko na kay LORD dahil sa pagmamahal ko sa mga taong WALANG KINALAMAN at naging KASANGKAPAN LAMANG!!! LET GO, LET GOD...baka lamang ako magkasakit Crying or Very sad hindi kaya ng puso ko ang nalaman ko at ito ay ALAM ng ating Panginoon!!! Duon sa HIGHER COURT ko ibinigay.

#26: SEPMAR Enterprises Receipt Author: TonyB PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:48 am
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I got a copy of the receipt. Thanks to Ka Noel. It looks like SEPMAR paid the two writers rather than the munisipyo paying them. Okay, I got that one clear now. That makes sense since the bid is for the whole project.

I noticed something different though.



The receipt is saying SEPMAR billed the munispyo 125,000 not the 122,000 that Ka Noel wrote in the Paete ML.

Based on the receipt, the breakdown is as follows:
Quote:

5,000 pcs. Tourism Brochure
a) Managing/Editing – 30,000
b) Contributing Writers – 15,000
c) Photography – 15,000
d) Layout – 15,000
e) Printing (P10.00 each) – 50,000
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Total 125,000


Here is Ka Noel's full email for the benefit of those who are not members of the Paete ML where it's posted:

Quote:

Tito,

Yes this is the same 5,000 pcs tourism brochures where you made a lot of comments. There was a transparent open bidding.

The procedure is as follows:

1. Invitation to apply for eligibility and to bid posted in all Laguna municipal and capitol bulletin board) from October 14 – 23, 2005)

Name of Project- Printing of Book and Tourism Brochure

Location – Paete, Laguna

Brief Description – Book and Brochure

Approved Budget for the Contract - P385,000.00

A) 1,000 pcs 425th Foundation Book – P260,000

B) 5,000 pcs Tourism Brochure – P 125,000

Required Documents to be submitted by Bidders:

1. Registration with the Government Electronic Procurement System (G-EPS)
2. Bidder’s bond (P18,900)
3. Bank Credit line
4. Tax Clearance Certificate
5. Certification – compliance of existing labor laws and standards
6. Affidavit of no relation by consanguinity or affinity to the head of agency and BAC members
7. Audited Company Balance Sheet
8. Company Income statement
9. Mayor’s permit
10. DTI registration certificate
11. Certificate of Authenticity
12. Letter of authority to validate submitted documents
13. BIR certificate of registration
14. Taxpayer’s Identification Number or VAT registration ertificate
15. Duly signed statement of the bidder that it is not lacklisted 16. Article of Incorporation, Partnership or Corporation.

Members of the Bidds and Awards Committee (BAC):

1. Arcangel Tolentino (Municipal Administrator) Chairman

2. Efren Capco (General Services Officer) Vice Chairman

3. Engr. Noel Viray (Municipal Engineer) Member

4. Alfredo Dagsindal (Municipal Civil Registrar) Member

5. Maria Luisa Sena (Municipal Budget Officer) Member

Note: A COA representative is invited during the actual bidding.

Actual Bidding was conducted on October 26, 2005 with all BAC members present except Maria Luisa Sena.

A single bidder (SEPMAR ENTERPRISES, Sta. Cruz Laguna) attended the bidding with a price lower than the Approved Budget for the Contract (ABC)

1. Brochure –P122,000 (5,000 pcs)

Break down of price:

a)Managing/ Editing – 29,500

b)Contributing Writers – 14,500

c)Photography – 14,500

d)Layout – 14,500

e)Printing – 49,000


2. Foundation Book – P256,000 (1,000 pcs Hardbound w/ full color jacket, glossy paper, all photos in full colors)

Break down of price:

a)Managing and Editing – 99,000

b)Contributing Writers – 49,000

c)Photography - 59,000

d)Layout - 49,000
(Printing not included)

Project was awarded to SEPMAR ENTERPRISES on Oct. 28, 2005

The proof of the brochure was submitted to DOT prior to printing and it was approved by their accounting department.

“The P200,000 grant from DOT was intended for the following:

1. P125,000 for printing of 5,000 pcs of brouchures

2. P 25,000 for the 425 years celebration last September 2005.”

My previous message was erroneous. It should read P75,000 for the 425 years celebration. Sorry for the mistake. These were already liquidated last Dec. 22.

Sorry but the bidding documents are so voluminous, it is impossible to condense it here. However, you are most welcome to scrutinize the documents which are available at our Accounting office.

Thanks,

Ka Noel
P.S. The bidding procedure for the 3 cruz improvement is the same as the above.



Does this mean SEPMAR overbilled the munispyo? Very Happy
Or could it be that I got the wrong receipt? Sad

But if I got the right one, I think SEPMAR should light the proverbial candle? Who is behind SEPMAR BTW?


Tony

#27: Procedures, external funding, etc. Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:20 am
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Back in July 2005 when I was in the Philippines, I accompanied Ka Noel and Councilor Cosico to meet with the Ayala Foundation. The municipal government was then seeking funds for the brochures and the foundation book. The Ayala Foundation did not provide funds for this purpose but they made an offer to buy copies of the book and help distribute them among the Ayala subsidiaries and friends.

In July, the municipal government has already conceptualized a proposal to produce the tourism brochures and the foundation book. There were people that helped the municipal government develop this proposal especially with the budget and details. And finally, the muncipal government did suceed in obtaining the necesary funds from the Department of Tourism. The rules are then subject to what the Department of Tourism dictates.

As for other government contracts, there was a bidding process. There is a committee assigned to review and approve the submitted bids and there are established rules for this process. Since this activity is associated with a grant, I am sure the bidding process also incorporated rules specific to the grant. SEPMAR enterprises won the bid. With the awarding of the bid, approval of the proofs of the tourism brochures was in the hands of the Department of Tourism, the granting agency, and not the municipal government. SEPMAR enterprises, I imagine, also worked with the original budget guidelines prescribed by the Department of Tourism.

It is important that we understand the process before we draw conclusions. Some of the conclusions that we hastily draw may hurt the character of some of the people involved in the project.

#28: Opinions Author: TonyB PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:48 am
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adedios wrote:
It is important that we understand the process before we draw conclusions. Some of the conclusions that we hastily draw may hurt the character of some of the people involved in the project.


I apologize to the people concerned if I offered some interpretation more than what the facts show, given that the people involved has not shown any interest to spare a few words to clarify the discrepancies. And as I have high respect for you and the people of Paete, I will refrain from offering my own opinion on the matter moving forward. Frankly, I don't exactly understand the bidding process. I am offering the facts as given me by Ka Noel himself and trying to point out some apparent mistakes. I understand that there are many readers who'd rather not see these kind of posts as this causes distractions from our onward march to progress.

BTW, the figures in the Foundation Book also don't match the receipt, 256,000 as per Ka Noel's email to Paete ML and 260,000 as per SEPMAR's receipt. I don't know if it's proper to pursue it any further given that there seems to be very little interest in matters like this. I must be a real pain to them.

But I am glad our town can look forward to the next round of the annual high school math contest. At least in the future, figures will match. Very Happy

Tony

#29: Re: SEPMAR Enterprises Receipt Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:11 pm
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tony.basa wrote:


Does this mean SEPMAR overbilled the munispyo? Very Happy
Or could it be that I got the wrong receipt? Sad

But if I got the right one, I think SEPMAR should light the proverbial candle? Who is behind SEPMAR BTW?

Tony



On the Invitation to Bid that was posted in the Munisipyo from Oct. 14-23, 2005, here are the details:

Name of Project : Printing of Book and Tourism Brochure
Location : Paete, Laguna
Brief Description : Books and Brochures
Approved Budget
For the Contract : Php385,000.00

SEPMAR [the lone bidder] successfully complied with all the requirements and so the contract was awarded to them.

On the 2 Sales Invoices dated Nov. 7, 2005, SEPMAR billed The Municipal Government of Paete, Laguna for the ff:

A. Sales Invoice #0223
5000 pcs. Tourism Brochure
Managing/Editing Php 30,000.00
Contributing Writers 15,000.00
Photography 15,000.00
Layout 15,000.00
Printing [10 pesos ea] 50,000.00
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Php 125,000.00

B. Sales Invoice #0224
1000 pcs 425th Foundation Books
Managing/Editing Php 100,000.00
Contributing Writers 50,000.00
Photography 60,000.00
Layout 50,000.00
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Php 260,000.00

On Nov 11, 2005, SEPMAR issued 2 Official Receipts to the Municipal Treasurer of Paete Laguna:
OR#0183 Php 117,120.00 as payment for 5000 of Tourism Brochures
OR#0182 Php 245,760.00 as payment for 1000 pcs 425th Foundation Books

From what I gathered, after the bid was awarded to SEPMAR [for a grand total of Php385,000.00] SEPMAR hired the services of Mr. Ben Afuang and Mr. Bien Saniano as SUBCONTRACTORS to work on the brochures and Paete books. They did the managing/editing, scriptwriting [supplied the write-ups/articles/captions], photography [supplied the pictures], lay-outing. SEPMAR did the printing of the brochures [the bill for Paete books did not include the cost of printing....hindi pa napi-print as of this writing]

Speculations and wild rumors against the persons mentioned are circulating. I do not know them personally but from what I heard, they are well respected figures in their own fields, recipients of the Ten Outstanding Living Paetenians Award [TOLP] It is very unfair for them if their names will be maliciously and continuously dragged in the brochure controversy. To shed light on this hot issue, efforts have been made to reach them so they can give their side but to no avail.

#30:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:24 am
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TONY:
I said I will no longer reply to your postings because I would like to encourage you and you brothers to meet with us and clarify the things clouding your mind. But I don’t see it forthcoming so here I am again to rectify the wrong impressions you created in your posting.

You said: “I am offering the facts as given me by Ka Noel himself and trying to point out some apparent mistakes.”

There was no mistake on my part, only your interpretation. Let me go thru this one by one.

A. You posted my report sometime in July and I quote:
“6. World Class brochure – An on-going project together with the Foundation Book with the able assistance of Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang. Target completion, September 2005.”
This was commented by Indoy:
“"Nagkamali nga siguro dahil ano ang Bidding na naganap ng October 2005 kung September 2005 pa lang eh they already have the brochure? Tapos, July 2005 pa lang eh nasa Development Stage na yung brochure. "
Oh man! "


There was no mistake here. The posting I made last July 2005 was the time we were conceptualizing the brochure and the foundation book. I think it is natural to conceptualize the brochures and the book first before the funding so that we can have an idea on how much to request for the funding. Committees were created as early as March 2005 headed by all members of the SB and applying the principle of synergy as pointed out by Angel de Dios, we tapped resource people and consulted them on the budgetary estimates. Our “TARGET” completion date was September 2005. This was not attained because the funding from DOT was approved only late September of last year, hence bidding was made October. If you read between the lines September 2005, was only a “target” date.

B. When I gave you copies of all pertinent documents on the brochure, I was hoping we could sit down together (with Saida probably over a cup of coffee) and thresh out what ever is not clear with you. But instead, you opted to post it hear and concluded that I made mistakes as you clearly pointed out :” I am offering the facts as given me by Ka Noel himself and trying to point out some apparent mistakes.” ( Colors added. I like letters in red. LOL!)

Tito, the one you posted was a “SALES INVOICE” not an “OFFICIAL RECEIPT”. Sales invoice are always based on “Purchase Request”. Purchase request are based on our Approved Budget for the Contracts (ABC) a product of thorough consultations with the working committee (SB members). The winning bid of SEPMAR (for the brochures) was P122,000. Our disbursement voucher, official receipt of SEPMAR and carbon copy of the check all show that payment made to SEPMAR was only P117, 120, this is P122,000 less P4,880 VAT. (pls see pictures)



(pls note total of Tourism Brochure P122,000)



HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY MISS THIS AND DECLARE THAT WE OVERPAYED SEPMAR? (OR DID YOU ONLY CHOOSE WHAT DOCUMENTS YOU WANT TO POST FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE?)

If you really want to pursue this issue, I beg you, please find time to meet with us, the BAC members and the SB to settle this issue once and for all.

Thank you,
Ka Noel

#31:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:18 am
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kanoel wrote:

B. When I gave you copies of all pertinent documents on the brochure, I was hoping we could sit down together (with Saida probably over a cup of coffee) and thresh out what ever is not clear with you. If you really want to pursue this issue, I beg you, please find time to meet with us, the BAC members and the SB to settle this issue once and for all.


ka noel,

i think the bone of contention of most of our kababayans on this issue lies mainly not on the receipts but on the cost of the brochures as against the finished product. many believe the kind/quality of the brochure does not commensurate the huge cost of production. suspicions were even made worse bec of the "alledged" involvement of the 2 personalities with SEPMAR as SUBCONTRACTORS.

i have talked with a lot of people who have lots of questions about the brochure. they are willing to sit down this holy week and talk things over a cup of coffee. [pero parang aayaw ko ng kape, masyadong mainit yon, summer pa naman....pwede bagang halohalo na lang ...SmileSmileSmile] but they have only one request... they want the presence of the 2 people in-charged in the production of the brochures and paete book. they believe they hold the precious key to all their questions that need answers. would it be possible?

thanks!

saida

#32:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:08 am
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Saida,
If the bone of contention of the brochure critics are only the quality and price, why then would Tony post a document which would lead people to believe that there was over payment by the Municipal Government? Copies of all documents are with you (forwarded to him as you said) and yet he choose to post the sales invoice rather than the Official Receipt of SEPMAR, the Disbursement voucher and the carbon copy of the check. Why?

I wish people like the Basa brothers could understand how government contracts work. As Angel pointed out in his previous posting, and I quote: “It is important that we understand the process before we draw conclusions. Some of the conclusions that we hastily draw may hurt the character of some of the people involved in the project.”

Let my try to summarize the history in the most concise form if I can:

A. Sometime in March of 2005 (maybe even earlier, I cannot remember the exact date), in preparation for the 425 yrs foundation of Paete, I formed a committee composed of all the SB members. Because we do not know anything about books and brochures, we tapped knowledgeable people like Ben Afuang and Bien Saniano who were consulted on the budgetary estimates for the layout, write-up, editing and printing of the book and brochures. The conceptual budget was discussed and approved by the committee which was the basis of our request to DOT. (P125,000 in this case for 5,000 pcs brochures and P75,000 for the actual celebration of the 425th foundation day.

B. After we got the check for P200,000, sometime late September, bidding was initiated the following month where only SEPMAR responded. Because the bid of SEPMAR was deemed responsive, with their price (P122,000) below the ABC (P125,000), BAC awarded the contract to SEPMAR. It was a straight contract with SEPMAR, although we required them (as required by DOT) to have the proof of the brochures be approved by DOT before the final printing. Eventually, DOT approved the proof and the production of 5,000 pcs brochures commenced.

C. The 5,000 brochures where delivered sometime in November and was accepted by the General Services Office. Letter request to COA for inspection was submitted and payment was effected November 11, 2005.

We were not remiss in any way in our obligations. Bidding procedures were strictly adhered to. The proof of the brochures was approved by DOT prior to printing. Liquidation of all expenses pertaining to the P200,000, grant as required by DOT, was satisfied without any question. The bidding documents have passed the COA audit without any adverse comments.
SEPMAR delivered the goods as contracted. It may not be at par with our expectations, but never the less they have done the end of their bargain and so we are obliged to do ours. This is how Government contracts work. We are governed by certain rules and procedures that not only protect our interest but also that of the other party as well.

Did you expect us not to pay SEPMAR just because we thought the brochures were below standard? If DOT thought it was not, who are we to say otherwise? Whose standard in the first place are we suppose to follow, that of the Basa brothers? That of DOT? That of COA? Or That of Ben or Bien?

We are free to admit that we do not know anything about books and brochures, which is why we dared not do it on our own. Ben and Biens participation during the conceptual stages are most valuable. It is sad, and as you said, “It is very unfair for them if their names will be maliciously and continuously dragged in the brochure controversy.” You said: “... they want the presence of the 2 people in-charged in the production of the brochures and paete book.” If you are referring to Ben and Bien, they are not in charge of anything. SEPMAR is, because it was a straight contract with them. Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR. If we wish to clarify matters in this issue, I suggest it be confined within our controllable limit because if the two opted not to be involved in this issue, we have no way of compelling them to do so. And if that happened this will be kept hanging in the air with a lot of different speculations, adverse or otherwise.

Ka Noel

#33:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:02 pm
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kanoel wrote:
Saida,

We are free to admit that we do not know anything about books and brochures, which is why we dared not do it on our own. Ben and Biens participation during the conceptual stages are most valuable. It is sad, and as you said, “It is very unfair for them if their names will be maliciously and continuously dragged in the brochure controversy.” You said: “... they want the presence of the 2 people in-charged in the production of the brochures and paete book.” If you are referring to Ben and Bien, they are not in charge of anything. SEPMAR is, because it was a straight contract with them. Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.
Ka Noel


Since I am very particular and have glued my eyes on the quality and appearance of the brochure, not to mention the amount of the Municipality of Paete paid, Is it possible that you can name the project team who artistically spent their time and effort to have this project materialized?

Siguro po ay hindi magkakaroon ng kung anu-anong puna kung maganda sana ang naging material at dun natin masasabi na walang nasayang na pera. Kung titingnan po kasi natin yung brochure, marami kayong makikitang puna talaga.

I have no idea who this Mr. Ben or Mr. Bien was, are they the same people behind the meetings with the UPLB? Like you said their participation during the conceptual stages is valuable, and what do you mean by this..., "they are not in-charge of anything" And again, if SEPMAR is the one we need to interrogate about this issue and I know they are not, what is the "strictly business" between the company and Bien or Ben all about? Was the business related to the Paete Project also?

Nakakalito na po kasi talaga, pakilinaw lang po... Shocked

#34: Dati Magagaling! Author: tukayo! PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:58 pm
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Sabi ko noon, ang dami talagang magagaling sa Paete, Laughing

Ngayon ko naman masasabi, ang dami na talagang...

gagaling-galing sa Paete, tulungan na lang natin ang

ating Mayor at wag ng maglabas ng kung ano-ano

issue na nakakasira at walang sapat na basihan...

yun lang po!.... Wink

#35:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:54 pm
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Indoy wrote:
" Is it possible that you can name the project team who artistically spent their time and effort to have this project materialized? "

If you will read between the lines of my posting, I said: "I formed a committee composed of all the SB members. Because we do not know anything about books and brochures, we tapped knowledgeable people like Ben Afuang and Bien Saniano who were consulted on the budgetary estimates for the layout, write-up, editing and printing of the book and brochures. "

The whole team is the SB plus Ben Afuang and Bien Sainano.

"Siguro po ay hindi magkakaroon ng kung anu-anong puna kung maganda sana ang naging material at dun natin masasabi na walang nasayang na pera. Kung titingnan po kasi natin yung brochure, marami kayong makikitang puna talaga."

"MAGANDA" is very subjective. It was DOT, the benefactor who has the last say on whehter the quality is acceptable or not . If DOT approves the printing, who are we to contest that (did you read my previous posting?)
If you think the brochure is sub-standard, what standard are we suppose to use, yours? The Basa brothers? that of DOT? that of COA? Please tell me so that next time we produce another set of brochures we can use your recommended standard.


"I have no idea who this Mr. Ben or Mr. Bien was, are they the same people behind the meetings with the UPLB?"

Only Bien Saniano was involved with our meetings with UPLB on the "Ilog Sintunis preservation program".

"Like you said their participation during the conceptual stages is valuable, and what do you mean by this..., "they are not in-charge of anything" "

I mean valuable as defined in Webster Dictionary: "of great merit, use, or service; highly important, esteemed, etc. "

I mean they are not in charge of anything because one, I am the chariman of the committe two, the contract with SEPMAR is a straight contract meaning they are responsible for everything.

" And again, if SEPMAR is the one we need to interrogate about this issue and I know they are not, what is the "strictly business" between the company and Bien or Ben all about? Was the business related to the Paete Project also? "

If you know that SEPMAR is not the one you have to "INTERROGATE" about this issue then you would never know the "strictly business" between them and the two, unless you "INTERROGATE" Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang. Because if you know the meaning of "strictly business between them" they are the only ones who can tell you what you want to know.

I suggest you read between the lines of my previous posting. Baka makatulong sa pagkalito mo.

Ka Noel

#36: Usapan Author: Guest PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:19 pm
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ngayon ako naniniwala sa magulang ko na huwag humalo sa usapang matanda ang mga bata ...... noon "literaly" ko itong hindi maintindihan, pero ibig sabihin pala ay kapag hindi mo alam ang pinagsasabi mo ay huwag mong ihalo sa mga nakakaintindi ng bagay na hindi mo linya, saka ka na humalo kapag may sapat ka nang kaalaman....maliban na lang na may nagbubuyo sa iyo o inyo....Sabi nga bago ka magtanong sa tao, itanong mo muna sa sarili mo kung bakit...siguro 5-10 beses baka makakuha ka na ng sagot hindi ka pa napahiya....noong nag-aaral ako I always try to outwit my prof...pero naha-hardtime ako...naisipan ko na kapag may tanong ako pagkatapos ng klase saka ako nagtatanong nagiging kaibigan ko pa prof ko. Napansin ninyo ba na panay ang tanong ko, yung siguro ang bagay sa inyo...sayang ang maganda ninyong simula.....sinuwerte na kayo baka mawala pa ha mga bunsoy......

#37:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:30 am
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kanoel wrote:
Saida,
If the bone of contention of the brochure critics are only the quality and price, why then would Tony post a document which would lead people to believe that there was over payment by the Municipal Government? Copies of all documents are with you (forwarded to him as you said) and yet he choose to post the sales invoice rather than the Official Receipt of SEPMAR, the Disbursement voucher and the carbon copy of the check. Why?



Ka Noel,

Though I have the documents, the only copy in Tony’s possession right now is the sales invoice, the one he posted. I think he missed the EVAT portion [which was not clear on the invoice] because he is not so familiar with it considering the fact that he resides abroad.

This tourism brochure has been the hottest issue these days. From bidding to awarding, from SEPMAR to Ben Afuang and Bien Saniano, from straight contract to sub-contract, from the budget of 122,000.00 [or 125,000.00…whatever!] to the finished product of 5000 copies, whether sulit or not sulit, people are free to draw their own conclusions. Ang lahat ay may kanya-kanyang puntos, may magagandang paliwanag na dapat pakinggan. From your own words, just read between the lines at naroon lahat ang sagot. To some your explanations might be enough. To others, it might have only elicited more questions than answers that could spark another controversy.

This is supposed to be a healthy discussion that could help guide us in our future projects. Just a few words to our kababayans who want to join the thread, stick to the issues, walang personalan, no hitting below the belt and no anonymous postings please.

Maraming salamat po!

#38:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:32 am
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Saida,
Granted that he only have the Sales Invoice in his position (by the way, why would you send him only the sales invoice? The more relevant receipt is the Official Receipt and the carbon copy of the check if you really want to know how much SEPMAR was paid) he should have ask you first if there are other receipts or documents before he posted that “The receipt is saying SEPMAR billed the munispyo 125,000 not the 122,000 that Ka Noel wrote in the Paete ML.

There was even a connotation that SEPMAR over billed the municipio.

Quote:
Saida wrote:from the budget of 122,000.00 [or 125,000.00…whatever!]

It seems the figures are not yet clear in your mind. This is what I meant when I say, please read between the lines para huwag kayong mailto!

I will say again:
The budget (officially known as Approved Budget for the Contract or ABC which was deliberated by the Committee with the help of Ben and Bien) was P125,000 for the brochure.

The P122,000.00 was the bid price of SEPMAR (which was lower than the ABC)

The Payment made to SEPMAR was P117,120.00(This was derived from the bidding price of P122,000 less VAT of P4,880.00)

Quote:
Saida wrote:" whether sulit or not sulit, people are free to draw their own conclusions. Ang lahat ay may kanya-kanyang puntos, may magagandang paliwanag na dapat pakinggan."


I have no qualms about this. All comments, suggestions,even criticisms are most welcome. But if it becomes derogatory, to the point of creating impressions to a public forum that are defamatory, I think is quite reckless and irresponsible. All I ask is to please carefully weigh first the facts before making such offensive statements.

Ka Noel


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#39:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:57 am
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Shocked reading between the lines... over and over again

Ka Noel: MAY TAMA KA! Pasok ka sa Finals! Very Happy




PS: Pasensya na Tukayo at nagmana ako sa ama ko Confused Just curious.. Are you trying to rattle us?

AY sya, baka gusto nyo bumili ng raffle ticket ng Centurion... part din ng attraction ng Paete yung Senakulo.



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#40:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:13 am
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Sabi ni Indoy:
Quote:
Ka Noel: MAY TAMA KA! Pasok ka sa Finals!


Dito sa atin, pag sinabing "MAY TAMA KA" ang ibig sabihin ay may sira ka sa ulo! I hope this is not what you mean (LOL!)

Cheers! Very Happy
Ka Noel

#41: To Ka Noel Author: TonyB PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:55 am
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kanoel wrote:
TONY:
I said I will no longer reply to your postings because I would like to encourage you and you brothers to meet with us and clarify the things clouding your mind. But I don’t see it forthcoming so here I am again to rectify the wrong impressions you created in your posting.

You said: “I am offering the facts as given me by Ka Noel himself and trying to point out some apparent mistakes.”

There was no mistake on my part, only your interpretation. Let me go thru this one by one.

A. You posted my report sometime in July and I quote:
“6. World Class brochure – An on-going project together with the Foundation Book with the able assistance of Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang. Target completion, September 2005.”
This was commented by Indoy:
“"Nagkamali nga siguro dahil ano ang Bidding na naganap ng October 2005 kung September 2005 pa lang eh they already have the brochure? Tapos, July 2005 pa lang eh nasa Development Stage na yung brochure. "
Oh man! "


There was no mistake here. The posting I made last July 2005 was the time we were conceptualizing the brochure and the foundation book. I think it is natural to conceptualize the brochures and the book first before the funding so that we can have an idea on how much to request for the funding. Committees were created as early as March 2005 headed by all members of the SB and applying the principle of synergy as pointed out by Angel de Dios, we tapped resource people and consulted them on the budgetary estimates. Our “TARGET” completion date was September 2005. This was not attained because the funding from DOT was approved only late September of last year, hence bidding was made October. If you read between the lines September 2005, was only a “target” date.

B. When I gave you copies of all pertinent documents on the brochure, I was hoping we could sit down together (with Saida probably over a cup of coffee) and thresh out what ever is not clear with you. But instead, you opted to post it hear and concluded that I made mistakes as you clearly pointed out :” I am offering the facts as given me by Ka Noel himself and trying to point out some apparent mistakes.” ( Colors added. I like letters in red. LOL!)

Tito, the one you posted was a “SALES INVOICE” not an “OFFICIAL RECEIPT”. Sales invoice are always based on “Purchase Request”. Purchase request are based on our Approved Budget for the Contracts (ABC) a product of thorough consultations with the working committee (SB members). The winning bid of SEPMAR (for the brochures) was P122,000. Our disbursement voucher, official receipt of SEPMAR and carbon copy of the check all show that payment made to SEPMAR was only P117, 120, this is P122,000 less P4,880 VAT. (pls see pictures)



(pls note total of Tourism Brochure P122,000)



HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY MISS THIS AND DECLARE THAT WE OVERPAYED SEPMAR? (OR DID YOU ONLY CHOOSE WHAT DOCUMENTS YOU WANT TO POST FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE?)

If you really want to pursue this issue, I beg you, please find time to meet with us, the BAC members and the SB to settle this issue once and for all.

Thank you,
Ka Noel


Ka Noel, I admit I made a low blow. I have no excuses. I apologize. I am still out of the country so I cannot drop by the SB. Like what I said, I am not going to offer any more opinion on the matter in this forum heeding Angel's wise counsel to avoid putting other people in a bad light. I still would like to drop by the SB next opportunity, not about the brochure, but the bidding rules. I would like to know how it works. Maybe I will bid myself. Very Happy

Tony

#42:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:01 pm
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Thank you Tony. Apology accepted. I admire your courage. I only hope that the 1,771 people who followed this thread also got your apology. You are most welcome to see us. We can use your talent and experience and we can talk of a lot of things other than brochures and bidding.
Regards,
Ka Noel

#43:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:16 pm
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kanoel wrote:


Dito sa atin, pag sinabing "MAY TAMA KA" ang ibig sabihin ay may sira ka sa ulo! I hope this is not what you mean (LOL!)


Nung umuwi po ako nung January napanood ko yung Game Ka na Ba! Yun ang linya na ginagamit dun sa game show. Ibig sabihin, "You got that Right!" or "Correct!". Idea

#44:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:55 pm
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Quote:
Nung umuwi po ako nung January napanood ko yung Game Ka na Ba! Yun ang linya na ginagamit dun sa game show. Ibig sabihin, "You got that Right!" or "Correct!".


Ah, kaya pala may kasunog na: "Pasok ka sa finals!" Laughing

Thanks, Indoy.

Ka Noel

#45: GOD, please let's there be lights......... Author: Pilipinoy PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:15 pm
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Please, please, please, please ........for heaven sake's do not include or use GOD to this discussion....Don't use it to gain symphaty or to gain favor for your issues specially if your are not sure of your accusation and it only based on a hersay only....Because if you do.... you are nothing different to false prophet of old and new times.....focus on the facts and don't be carried away by tsismis....there are a lot of people....dark, dark, very dark bone people that even on their skin reflected it....
In bible, It is said that donot use his names for a things that have no values. Please we have enough trouble in this part of land, let' not have trouble with heaven....

#46: Admirable Person Author: MulatPinoy PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:32 pm
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Bihira na ang taong umaamin ng kanyang pagkakamali, I admire you for that Tony, may mga tao kasi na bokya na ay pilit pang humihirit, Marami tayo niyan sa Pambansang Gobyerno, naka-upo man o talunan, O maski sa pribado, kaya tayo hindi umusod usod, (usod lang dahil sa klase ng pag-uugali ng karamihan sa atin mga Pinoy ay bulok na bulok na kaya kahit usod lang ay di' natin magawa) I'm proud of being Pilipino and we are world class...... "individually"......but dahil sa pag-uugali natin wala tayong "UNITY" that make us weak and dwell on the bottom...we use to laugh on the chinese and bombay but where are they now.....We are the sickmind of asia....Again sana maraming natuto sa iyo Tony...

#47: Tao Lamang Tayo Para Magkamali Author: KP PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:25 pm
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Sinusundan ko pong tread na ito at maaring me nakasakit o nasaktan pero sa bandang huli ay ang pagtanggap ng pagkakamali na inamin ni Kabayang Tony Basa at paghingi niya ng apology ke Ka Noel. Bihira sa tao ng dahil sa kaniyang pride eh kahit na nagkamali ay hindi aamin pero dito makikita na tao lamang tayo, kaya saludo ako sa iyo Kabayang Tony Basa at pati ke Ka Noel dahil sa pagtanggap niya sa Apology.

Alam nating lahat na walang masamang hangarin ang bawat isa kundi ang makatulong sa pag-unlad ng ating bayan at lalu na sa mga taga Paete kaya po minsan ay nawawala sa loob natin na magtanong.
Kila Saida, Indoy at iba ay saludo rin ako sa inyo dahil alam kong wala kayo sa Paete nasa State at iabng lugar sa Pilipinas ay nandoon pa rin ang inyong pagmamahal sa bayan ng Paete, iyan ang mga tunay na taga Paete kaya saludo rin ako sa inyo.

Siguro isang suhestiyon na kapag me mga tanong po tungkol dito sa ganitong bagay ay mag direct po ng tanungan sa e-mail address ng bawat isa dahil alam natin na kahit papaano po ay mahahaluan ng politiko at personalan dahil tao nga lamang po tayo.

Muli ay aking paghanga sa inyong mga taga Paete at hangad na tagumpay sa hinaharap. Mabuhay! at God Bless


Kumusta po muli,
Kabayang Pinoy
kabayangpinoy@hotmail.com

#48:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:04 am
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Sabi ni ka noel:

>>>>>Saida,
Granted that he only have the Sales Invoice in his position, he should have ask you first if there are other receipts or documents before he posted that “The receipt is saying SEPMAR billed the munispyo 125,000 not the 122,000 that Ka Noel wrote in the Paete ML.”

I admire tony for his courage in asking for apology ON THE RECEIPT ISSUE. like i said, he was not aware of the phil EVAT law and i will not discredit him for that. it doesn't mean too that all his other comments/observations and the comments of others [kahit sila ay pinagpayuhang wag na makidawdaw sa brochure isyu....] are invalid.


>>>>>(by the way, why would you send him only the sales invoice? The more relevant receipt is the Official Receipt and the carbon copy of the check if you really want to know how much SEPMAR was paid)

let me make myself clear. i knew from the very start how expensive the price of the brochure was so i didn't care about it anymore. to me the price issue of the brochure is already water under the bridge, kumbaga, nandyan na yan at wala na tayong magagawa pa. from the avalanche of negative comments that we openly heard, unang una na ang photography. sino daw baga ang photgrapher who charged 14,500.00 for a lousy job? bakit may durian pa samantalang wala namang durian ang paete? bakit halatang halata na nakatapal lang yung picture ng lansones sa tabi ng durian? lumang luma at blurred yung mga pictures! then sa scriptwriting, sino daw baga yung scriptwriter who charged 14,500.00 for a very short write-up and captions na marami ring mali? when you said na taga paete yung writers the more it raised negative reactions. hindi daw baga napakiusapang pro-bono na lang, tutal ay taga paete din naman at maigsi lang naman yung write-up? sa halip makuntento ang mga tao, lalong lumakas ang ugong ng protesta at malisyosong pag iisip when you said they requested anonimity.

in the begining i was a only a silent reader of this thread but i became so curious too about the WHO aspects. pero sa halip na kung kani-kanino ako magtanong who will only give me half-baked truths and hearsay, i decided to go straight to you. i asked you for the xerox copies of the documents, hoping to find the names of the people who received payment from the munisipyo. instead of satisfying my curiousity, i got so confused too. i was so surprised to see 2 the sales invoices from SEPMAR billing paete of Php 125,000.00 and Php260,000.00 respectively. i asked myself, akala ko baga ay taga paete yung scriptwriter, bakit SEPMAR ang naningil sa paete ng 14,500.00? same with the paete book when i saw the sales invoice for that. i know a writer who was paid 3,000.00 for an article she wrote but surprisingly, it was SEPMAR who was charging us 50,000.00 for the scriptwriting of paete book. tinawagan ko kaagad yung kilala kong writer at pati siya ay nagulat dahil hindi SEPMAR ang nagbayad sa kanya.

that was the main point i was trying to convey to tony when i asked that those 2 sales invoices be sent to him. bakit SEPMAR ang naningil sa paete ng kabuuang Php385,000.00?

and btw, here's another question...kanino nga bagang standard ang sinunod when you gave the go signal of printing 5000 copies? i understand a sample copy was first presented to you for your approval. ikaw na rin mismo ang nagsabi sa akin sa telepono na nung una mong makita yung brochure ay hindi ka rin nagandahan. why no suggestion for revision was made from that point?



>>>>>There was even a connotation that SEPMAR over billed the municipio.

again, it's because of the EVAT which was overlooked.



>>>>I will say again:
The budget (officially known as Approved Budget for the Contract or ABC which was deliberated by the Committee with the help of Ben and Bien) was P125,000 for the brochure.

so it's very clear that the 2 helped us in the ABC. but are you aware, even before the bidding/awarding, that the 2 has business connection with SEPMAR?



>>>>>>I have no qualms about this. All comments, suggestions,even criticisms are most welcome. But if it becomes derogatory, to the point of creating impressions to a public forum that are defamatory, I think is quite reckless and irresponsible. All I ask is to please carefully weigh first the facts before making such offensive statements.

yes i agree with you. in anything and everything, i would rather go straight to the person and ask straightforward questions than ask somebody else who would only give me half-baked and half truth answers. mas malinaw pag ganun. minsan nga lamang, pag masyadong mausisa ang isang tao, the person is often misconstrued as "sowing intrigues" and that his or her motives are always politically colcored.

i've been trying to review the past postings of this thread but what i saw were all valid though negative comments and no defamatory or derogatory remarks whatsoever. the worst maybe was the comment "taxpayer's money was wasted down the drain" [or something to that effect...] sa nakita ng marami na kabuuan ng tourism brochure, hindi maikakaila na talagang malaking pera ang nasayang. monetary grant from the government such as this do not come easy....once in a blue moon lamang kung dumating kumbaga. i think in projects like this, mas mainam sigurong pag isipang mabuti kung papaano natin masusulit ang bawat sentimo na ipinagkaloob sa atin galing sa dugo at pawis ng mga bumubuwis. a very good example was the suggestion of a brochure making contest among our high school students. siguradong di hamak na naging mas mura ang brochure....at tiyak na mas maganda, nahasa pa ang talento at art skills ng atng ating mga bata.

muli ka noel, maraming salamat!!!

saida

#49: Utak Talangka Author: TonyB PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:32 am
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saida wrote:
Sabi ni ka noel:

Ka Noel wrote:
>>>>>Saida,
Granted that he only have the Sales Invoice in his position, he should have ask you first if there are other receipts or documents before he posted that “The receipt is saying SEPMAR billed the munispyo 125,000 not the 122,000 that Ka Noel wrote in the Paete ML.”


I admire tony for his courage in asking for apology ON THE RECEIPT ISSUE. like i said, he was not aware of the phil EVAT law and i will not discredit him for that. it doesn't mean too that all his other comments/observations and the comments of others [kahit sila ay pinagpayuhang wag na makidawdaw sa brochure isyu....] are invalid.


I made a mistake with the receipt. Sabi nga naka-bunot ako ng baraha at na-bokya ako. No big deal. Now, sabi nga ni Ka Noel, beautiful is very subjective. I agree with him absolutely. Kaya nga di ako doon sa aspect na yun nagbibigay ng opinion. When I posted the receipt, I knew I made a mistake the next morning on my way to work. Then I saw Ka Noel's post confirming my mistake. Then I got wise counsel from Angel, and a message from my mother later that evening. So I apologized. Prior to my posting that receipt, I already decided that it would be my last post (that charge to experience) as I already stated my thoughts on the matter. I had nothing more to offer.

My apology on my mistake about the receipt and subsequent decision to no longer pursue it is personal and should not be used to stifle further discussion if other people think there are more things to clarify. If Saida or others wish to pursue it further, I give them my support but on the sidelines. She is doing our town a favor by stimulating discussion.

tukayo wrote:

Ngayon ko naman masasabi, ang dami na talagang...
gagaling-galing sa Paete, tulungan na lang natin ang
ating Mayor at wag ng maglabas ng kung ano-ano
issue na nakakasira at walang sapat na basihan...


Some people think that I was just trolling or being utak talangka or naggagaling-galingan. That is what we call an ad hominem "argument". The implication is that because the speaker is just naggagaling-galingan or utak talangka, we should not be paying attention to what he/she is saying - or what he/she is saying is false. Rather than offering anything by way of refuting my (or Saida's, or my brother Tito's) points about the issue, they'd instead call you names, as if that helps in clarifying the issue at all. Well, this I will tell them. If you have nothing to offer as an opinion on the matter, you are not helping in any way, and you are the one with the utak talangka trying to stifle the discussion. This goes most specially to tukayo.

I do support the tourism thrust of the munisipyo. I was happy when Ka Noel decided that it must be one of the main thrust of his administration, and presenting a whole set of projects in that direction, e.g., lamppost. I tried to offer constructive ideas in the Paete mailing list as much as possible like saying there are communities in Japan whose source of income is mostly from tourism, and it wont hurt Paete to emulate them citing the fact that Paete is rich culturally. I had planned to start a business that has something to do with tourism. I have been putting my savings into that direction. In short, I have put my money where my mouth is. I was just too happy to see the tourism angle getting the attention of Ka Noel's administration. It's in my best interest that it succeed. This is hardly being utak talangka.

Ka Noel wrote:
Dito sa atin, pag sinabing "MAY TAMA KA" ang ibig sabihin ay may sira ka sa ulo! I hope this is not what you mean (LOL!)


I think that it's intended to have multiple meanings. It's a play on ambiguity for humorous effect.

cheers!
Tony

#50: My take on discussions Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:29 am
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There are several elements present in any discussion. The discussion can be enhanced by making ourselves a bit aware of these elements:

1. Agenda - We all have a purpose in joining in a discussion. The only fruitful agenda is the one that is faithful to contributing valid information, one that allows data to present itself.

We may present wrong or incomplete information at times. This is part of reality, that is, errors can be made, but if we are faithful to the single agenda of sharing information, errors are acceptable.

2. Framework - When discussing an issue presents opposing views, it is important to work within a framework. Otherwise, the discussions will not reach anywhere. A framework needs to be defined and the debate should stay within this framework. The framework is what defines the issue. Oftentimes, the framework is reponsible for most of the issues being discussed.

3. Character - Opinions come from individuals. These individuals are persons with character. We all have our own standards and most of the times, these standards are not universal. Morality is an area that even philosophers find very challenging. There are not that many issues that easily fit a categorical imperative. There are not many issues that are clearly black and white. We live in a colorful world after all, a continuous spectrum. Discussions that border on character issues are usually problematic, for this reason.

4. Delivery - The messages shared in a discussion can be shaded by the style. After all, readers can insinuate. Readers can go beyond sometimes from what is actually written. For this purpose, readers need to be careful in how they interpret and likewise, posters need to be aware that their message may be wrongly interpreted.

The "Tourism Brochure" topic in this forum is currently an active issue that is being discussed. Our agenda is to understand the issue so that we could do better next time. To do better next time requires understanding of existing procedures. There is a framework that is defined by the laws and procedures in the Philippines. This framework is important so that we not apply freely our own ideal framework in this issue. To do so is unrealistic. There is nothing wrong with being ideal or creating our own standards, but the fruitful exercise of our thinking is to find ways to work these ideals into the existing framework. Developing a tourism brochure through the schools is ideal, but these need to be adapted into existing procedures. This likewise illustrates when discussions are particularly useful. In any activity, discussions are most fruitful during the planning stage. This is the time when these ideas can be worked into the actual project. Discussions after concluding a project are still useful but only from the perspective of the future. Otherwise, we will be tempted to carry an agenda that differs from just trying to do better in the future.

The "character" and "delivery" elements are unfortunately part of our subjective nature. They can become highlighted if we dwell on them. They can become the focus of the discussion if we choose them to be. But we should not, if we are faithful to a fruitful agenda and stay within a defined framework. Mayor Cadayona accepted that the tourism brochure is not of perfect quality. Based on these discussions on the tourism brochure, there are clearly alternative ways and I am optimistic that these will be explored in the future. This is where we currently stand and hopefully, we did learn from this discussion.

#51:  Author: alex.basaLocation: Alexander Acuram Basa PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:45 pm
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I have been involved in several bids to government projects and I dont consider myself an expert. I noticed several things that are always present whenever we bid or prepare bid documents. Prior to bidding, a tendering guideline is given to the bidder detailing the technical capabilities that are needed for the project. This guideline is prepared by a committee in consultation with technical consultants. During the bidding, the BAC always has technical persons who is responsible for assessing the competence of the bidder. The bidder is also required to submit their company profile and the CVs of the team members as basis for their assessment. Having 1 bidder doesnt guarantee the lone bidder the project and almost always results in a failed bid although we have experienced winning one because the other bidders decided not to push thru with their bids. After the bidding, arrangements are made to the winning bidder requiring them to report to their technical person(s) on the progress of the said project in a consistent basis to ensure a high level of quality and on-time delivery of the project. Payment schemes vary depending on the agreement between the parties, the length of the project, the amount involved and other aspects.

#52: anonymous posters Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:27 pm
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discussions will better prosper if the participants will come out of their nests and show the world who they are. when a person posts anonymously, chances are, they don't stick to the real issue, they attack the personality of the opposing posters and oftentimes exaggerate because nobody knows who they are except themselves [and the moderators of course!]

this forum is open to all , young and old, everybody is encouraged to speak up. wisdom doesn't always come with age. i admire the courage of those young people who openly and bravely stood and said their piece kahit ang tingin sa kanila ng iba ay mga "kontrabida" o "gagaling-galing". let's not look at them that way. it is very noticeable that those who posted behind aliases are the persons who have nothing substantial to speak of but purely character assassinations.

#53:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:04 pm
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saida wrote:
let me make myself clear. i knew from the very start how expensive the price of the brochure was so i didn't care about it anymore. to me the price issue of the brochure is already water under the bridge, kumbaga, nandyan na yan at wala na tayong magagawa pa. from the avalanche of negative comments that we openly heard, unang una na ang photography. sino daw baga ang photgrapher who charged 14,500.00 for a lousy job? bakit may durian pa samantalang wala namang durian ang paete? bakit halatang halata na nakatapal lang yung picture ng lansones sa tabi ng durian? lumang luma at blurred yung mga pictures! then sa scriptwriting, sino daw baga yung scriptwriter who charged 14,500.00 for a very short write-up and captions na marami ring mali? when you said na taga paete yung writers the more it raised negative reactions. hindi daw baga napakiusapang pro-bono na lang, tutal ay taga paete din naman at maigsi lang naman yung write-up? sa halip makuntento ang mga tao, lalong lumakas ang ugong ng protesta at malisyosong pag iisip when you said they requested anonimity.


This is exactly what I have in mind! At this moment, I'm still trying to convince myself that the whole SB plus Ben and Bien was the project team since I am reading between the lines.... Smile

tony wrote:
Some people think that I was just trolling or being utak talangka or naggagaling-galingan. That is what we call an ad hominem "argument". The implication is that because the speaker is just naggagaling-galingan or utak talangka, we should not be paying attention to what he/she is saying - or what he/she is saying is false. Rather than offering anything by way of refuting my (or Saida's, or my brother Tito's) points about the issue, they'd instead call you names, as if that helps in clarifying the issue at all. Well, this I will tell them. If you have nothing to offer as an opinion on the matter, you are not helping in any way, and you are the one with the utak talangka trying to stifle the discussion. This goes most specially to tukayo.


This is a moderated forum. I never expected to read those type of postings, that's why I am surprised to see some of these "aliases" back on the streets of this forum. In fact there are hundreds of our kababayans watching this thread but chose to remain silent instead,,,, hoping that their questions will get some good answers from the discussions.

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL!

#54:  Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:49 pm
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Those postings are not anonymous. One is signed with "tukayo" meaning that the poster's name is "Tony". This discussion (though less frequent) is also present in the mailing list and the opinions of the postings that are taken as anonymous are the same as those posted in the mailing list. These are the same as those who are exchanging messages with Tito and Bahj Basa. The postings that should seem anonymous to nonmoderators are those by "panauhin". But the ones by "tukayo" and "mulat na Pinoy" are not really anonymous.

Another thing, Ka Noel mentioned something regarding the number of views for this topic and equated that to the number of people who are actually reading this thread. That is not correct. I think a closer estimate is to divide first the number of views by the number of postings - and you will see that there are only about 40-60 people who are following this thread in this forum especially if you take into account that there are even multiple views of the same topics.

#55:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:03 pm
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Saida wrote:
Quote:
bakit SEPMAR ang naningil sa paete ng 14,500.00? same with the paete book when i saw the sales invoice for that. i know a writer who was paid 3,000.00 for an article she wrote but surprisingly, it was SEPMAR who was charging us 50,000.00 for the scriptwriting of paete book. tinawagan ko kaagad yung kilala kong writer at pati siya ay nagulat dahil hindi SEPMAR ang nagbayad sa kanya.”
]
Saida, I have answered almost all of your questions in my previous postings, however, it seems you have not digested everything so I will repeat it again for the second time once more (LOL!)

The contract was a straight contract with SEPMAR, meaning all payment must be made to SEPMAR. Sila ang ka kontrata ng municipio kaya sila rin ang maniningil sa amin. Ang pagbabayad sa mga taong nag subcontract sa kanila ay sila rin ang nakakaalam.

Quote:
“….and btw, here's another question...kanino nga bagang standard ang sinunod when you gave the go signal of printing 5000 copies?”


It was a requirement by DOT, the benefactor, that the proof be approved by them first prior to printing. (I have mentioned this 3 or 4 times in my previous postings). Because they funded the project, I think they have the right to have the last say on this. But if you have other standard in mind, (assuming there will be no donors who would like their standard to be followed) like don’t include the durian; do not paste lanzones with other fruits; pictures must not be blurred; (with matching examples) maybe we can use them next time around.

Quote:
“…once in a blue moon lamang kung dumating kumbaga. i think in projects like this, mas mainam sigurong pag isipang mabuti kung papaano natin masusulit ang bawat sentimo na ipinagkaloob sa atin galing sa dugo at pawis ng mga bumubuwis."


Hindi pa ba sapat sa inyo na ang buong Sangguniang Bayan na ang nag-isip at nagprepara ng project na ito? As early as March 2005 ay pinag-aaralan na po ito. Nagkataon lamang na may mga limitasyon, may mga regulasyon na nakakasaklaw sa mga ganitong proyekto na hindi kami maaaring lumampas. We strictly adhered to the rules and procedures of the bidding process. As I have reported before, the expenses have already been liquidated with DOT without any problems. COA have audited the bidding without any adverse comments.Ang Quality Control ay ginampanan ng walang iba kundi ang nagkaloob ng salapi, ang DOT. Ng aprobahan po ito ng DOT, yun na ang pinal na basihan ng kalidad ng mga brochure. SEPMAR did the part of their bargain to the letter. Kung hindi namin babayaran ang SEPMAR o IPAUULIT namin ito dahil sabi ninyo ay pangit, kami naman ang makakasuhan ng breach of contract.

Oh, by the way, nakausap namin ang nagtitinda ng durian sa Casili at galing daw ito sa bundok natin, samakatuwid ay meron na palang nagtanim at umaani ng durian sa ating kabundukan! ( Hindi ko rin ito alam ah! Magtatanong – tanong pa ako.) Kung sakaling wala nga pala at imported pa sa Davao itong durian na itinitinda sa Casili, Masyado bang makakasira sa mga turista kung ito’y nakalitrato sa brochure? Sorry, hindi naisip ng Committee (SB) na napakalaking issue pala nitong pagkakalagay ng Durian!

ka Noel
P.S.
Angel, I stand corrected. I had the impression that the figure under "VIEW" is the actual number of poeple who "viewed" the thread.

#56: - Author: bahj.basaLocation: Amador "Bahj" Acuram Basa Jr PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:49 pm
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adedios wrote:
Those postings are not anonymous. One is signed with "tukayo" meaning that the poster's name is "Tony". This discussion (though less frequent) is also present in the mailing list and the opinions of the postings that are taken as anonymous are the same as those posted in the mailing list. These are the same as those who are exchanging messages with Tito and Bahj Basa. The postings that should seem anonymous to nonmoderators are those by "panauhin". But the ones by "tukayo" and "mulat na Pinoy" are not really anonymous.


Angel, since my name was mentioned in this thread, I have no recourse but to name the one exchanging mails with me in the mailing list for the sake of those readers who are not members of the mailing list. His name is Marcelo Dalagan. If I am not mistaken, he is involved in the "Tourist Boat" and the minitiature scaled design of the Tourist Lane as seen in the brochure.

#57:  Author: paetechieLocation: kahit saan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:09 am
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[quote="adedios"] These are the same as those who are exchanging messages with Tito and Bahj Basa. The postings that should seem anonymous to nonmoderators are those by "panauhin". But the ones by "tukayo" and "mulat na Pinoy" are not really anonymous.[/quote]

anonymous here but not in the mailing list

their writing style, even if they didn't sign their true names, gave them away. Sorry Angel but I didn't exchange messages with them in the mailing list, even if directly aimed at me, for i didn't find it worthy of my time, keystrokes, mouse clicks and bandwidth... Smile

in logic, their kind of reasoning, or rather the lack of it, is really called

ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM

I do not, and I will not stoop down to that level!

#58: Pakisali po Author: l. A. Caguin PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:56 am
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PAKI SALI PO :


Para kay PANAUHIN, kaibigan, binibigyan pansin naman ni KA NOEL. Kaya sinasagot lahat ng BATIKOS at PUNA. Gaya ng sabi ko noon, Kaya ang bayan o bansa natin ay hindi umunlad ay dahil sa SOBRANG PULITIKA. Bakit meron nagbubulag-bulagn at nagbingi-bingihan kapag ang naka gawa ng anumalya ay kasamahan o kapartido? Yan ay dahil sa sobrang pulitika. Tama si Mula’t Pino’y. Kaya tayo ay hindi umunlad dahil maraming talunan na bumabatak sa mga magagandang Idea. Si Dark, Very Dark Bone, Even their skin reflected ay sarado ang isip. Walang nagawang mabuti si Ka Noel sa kanya. Gumagamit pa ng ibang tao para manira.

Bakit noong nakaraang ADMINISTRASYON ay hindi nila napag ukulan ng pansin o batikos ang mga anomalya. Tulad halimbawa ng Pera sa “ RADIO NATIN” ang perang ibinigay ng GMA sa mga bayan-bayan sa Isang Milyong Piso ( P 1, 000,000.00) September 2002. Isa po ang Paete sa binigyan pautang upang ipautang naman sa mga may maliliit na negosyo. Ang ginawa po ng nakaraang administrasyon ( Mayor Emo Afurong ) ay ibinili ng gamot at ibinigay sa mga Punong-Barangay. Ang sabi ng mga Kapitan. 1 Plastic Bag ng gamot ang ibinigay at malapit ng mag expired. Kaya ipinamigay na agad ang gamot sa mga Kabarangay. Meron pang ilang gamot na hindi na pinamigay dahil expired na. Bakit 1 Plastic Bag lamang kada Barangay, samantalang 1 Milyon ang pera? Dapat sana ay may gamot na matagal mag expired at may pera pa na pwedeng ipautang, may mga maliit na negosyo. Ito po ay hindi “HAKA”, may mga dokumentong hawak ang Pamahalaang Bayan.

Dati po akong may maliit na negosyo. Tumigil na ako dahil hindi ko kaya ang presyo ng produkto dito sa atin na ginagawa din sa Metro Manila. Ang mga kapitalista sa Metro manila ay kayang magbaba ng presyo dahil ang mga nateryales na kailangan nila ay mababa nilang nakukuha dahil sa murang pasahe. Pag marami pang order ng Materyales ay Free Delivery pa. Dagdag pa nag murang koryente, ang mga laborer ay mura ang bayad. Dahil ang karamihan ay galling sa malalayong lalawigan na nakikipag sapalaran sa Metro Manila, mabuti na lamang at marami sa ating mga kababayan ang ainisuwerte na maka abroad.

Si Lotlot Valentino po tindera ng ukit (IAM HANDICRAFT), Sabi ni Lotlot, mas malaki ang benta nila kung mga kabataan ang pumupunta dito sa atin. Karamihan sa kanila ay bumibili ng mga small items sa maliliit na halaga, bilang souvenir na naka-rating sila sa ating maliit na bayan. Ang Wood Carving Capital ng Pilipinas.

“MABUHAY ANG PAETE”.

L.A. CAGUIN

#59:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:58 am
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sabi ni ka noel:

>>>>Saida, I have answered almost all of your questions in my previous postings, however, it seems you have not digested everything so I will repeat it again for the second time once more (LOL!)

maliwanag na maliwanag ka noel.... naintindihan ko. "i just repeated it again for the second time once more" .... Laughing Laughing Laughing to empahsize my answer to your question that says.... """(by the way, why would you send him only the sales invoice? The more relevant receipt is the Official Receipt and the carbon copy of the check if you really want to know how much SEPMAR was paid)"""


>>>>> Masyado bang makakasira sa mga turista kung ito’y nakalitrato sa brochure? Sorry, hindi naisip ng Committee (SB) na napakalaking issue pala nitong pagkakalagay ng Durian!

i want to answer your question to the best i can so let me try.....hindi nga siguro makakasira sa mga turista yung durian sa brochure, malay nga baga nila kung may durian nga sa paete o wala.. Wink hindi rin siguro makakasira sa mga turista kung nakatapal lang yung litrato ng lanzones sa brochure dahil hindi naman nila bubusisiin yon... Wink Wink hindi rin siguro makakasira sa turista kung mali yung picture at caption sa "Salubong" dahil hindi rin naman nila ma di-differentiate si mother mary from veronica... Wink Wink Wink at hindi rin siguro makakasira sa mga turista kung napakalabo ng mga litrato sa brochure dahil hindi na siguro para aninagin pa nila yun.....<LOL> Wink Wink Wink Wink

salamat po uli! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

#60: Re: - Author: Marcelo Dalagan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:45 am
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bahj.basa wrote:


Angel, since my name was mentioned in this thread, I have no recourse but to name the one exchanging mails with me in the mailing list for the sake of those readers who are not members of the mailing list. His name is Marcelo Dalagan. If I am not mistaken, he is involved in the "Tourist Boat" and the minitiature scaled design of the Tourist Lane as seen in the brochure.


Tony...Tony...Tony there were a lot of Tony in mailing list or outside of our circle, Naming names without their consent are not a good idea, you were no different to "makapili" There are people that they try to be discrete as much as posible so leave it that way even when you knew or learned about it.... because I'...(I', because it is my opinion only) think that we Pilipino tend to judge the people rather than the "IDEA'S" that they are trying to share. If we were in corporate world yes it is okay or you are bound to divulge yourself, but this is not so let us concentrate on shared IDEAS or OPINION and if you were offended ask yourself first if is right and if is you think it is not appropriate you can ignored it and go on in with your life.

Since you mention "The boat and the Miniature". Yes, I and some other who are behind it, But believed it or not it is more of a "gratis". Even my minial labor pay were even used fot the materials,

Why there are people who are looking on the small dot on a paper rather that the whole paper itself.

I always say to my fellow Pilipino that it is Okay to uplift yourself but make sure you will not used or step on somebody else, because if you do, the faster you climb, twice the faster that you will fall.

Please let us be part of the solution and please.....please....please be not a part of the problem.

If you speak, think twice if you have sufficient facts and if it is beneficial for everybody not only to yourself.

Marcelo

#61: Re: anonymous posters Author: Marcelo PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:33 am
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saida wrote:
discussions will better prosper if the participants will come out of their nests and show the world who they are. when a person posts anonymously, chances are, they don't stick to the real issue, they attack the personality of the opposing posters and oftentimes exaggerate because nobody knows who they are except themselves [and the moderators of course!]

this forum is open to all , young and old, everybody is encouraged to speak up. wisdom doesn't always come with age. .


Yes Wisdom does not come with all age, there are some who get aged or even died without it.....Some get it from time to time depending on their experience.... some are lucky they always have it longer, that is why they are next to heaven....... But definitely you will not be born with it, you will not get it at young age and or even "IF" you are intellect, it will "ONLY" come with your life experience of ups and downs. Because everybody are not privilege to have it. That is why the corporate world in Philippines will not hire a new Manager from outside, below 35 years of age together with long list of criterias before you get in, even if you get in there is always this quote that by mere lost of confidence can fire you anytime, even here in US becase it is a given psychological "FACTS". Even on this posting I will not claim that I have WISDOM or an expert of it as of this writting. Reacting to some negative (if you look at it as negative) opinion are already in lesser wisdom. But I'm willing to be devil's advocate if I have to, just to impart the fact(s)or enlighten somebody.

With Saida and the Basa's, exchanging posting with you guys are okay becase you can smile and have a tendency to accept anything even if when you were offended by others. But there will be, and we already have others that are not like us who can not smile or worst they will curse you, your family, even if they were not really offended. The Basa's said if it is not ringing their bell why react on it. Focus on OPINIONS, IDEAS and FACTS not the person..... so why fish on the person behind it if your intention are for the mere opinions, ideas and facts only.

Anonymous are okay for me, but as Angel said they were not really anonymous, if you were smart enough you can have an idea who they are or you can identify them yourself (and Please keep it to yourself)..... maybe that the reason why they are using pen names...... not to be known to less smarter reader because some don't read comprehensively that they get offended easily....... or making round and round about the issues and don't know how to accept the facts....... or keep themself blindly and lastly don't want to learn how to exit graciously about their defeated accusation.


Mar

#62: SB & the TOURISM BROCHURE Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:40 pm
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I have been following this thread on the tourism brochure in the past 1 ½ months since Tito Basa posted his comments and suggestions on this tourism brochure on February 14, 2006.

As a member of the Sangguniang Bayan of Paete, I have been very enthusiastic about the tourism program of our town. In fact, I have taken active part in many of the culture/arts/tourism-related activities in our town in the past years since I assumed post as municipal councilor in July, 2004.

The facts that I will present here delve on the details of my knowledge regarding this tourism brochure. I hope I could present them here as objective as possible.

In early 2005, the SB Chairman of the Committee on Tourism, Councilor Bokwet Cosico, called one committee meeting to ask us for suggestions for the conceptualization and production of a “world-class tourism brochure” which the Department of Tourism and the Department of Trade and Industry had been requiring us so they could help us in promoting our products and boost the tourism industry of our town. This SB committee meeting regarding the tourism brochure was the first and last we had.

A week or two later, Coun. Cosico asked me if I knew anybody who could help us in the design and production of a tourism brochure. I said yes. I was asked to contact May V. Soriano, the daughter of a friend from Sta. Cruz, who’s connected with a prestigious advertising company in Alabang. I was confident in recommending her since I’ve seen her art portfolio showing her works as a professional graphic artist. She has done not a few brochures and posters for big companies in Manila.

I was instructed to make an appointment with her. May showed up one Sunday in March, 2005 for a luncheon meeting at 3 J’s Restaurant with Mayor Cadayona and Coun. Cosico. I was just an observer during that meeting.

The mayor asked her if she could produce the brochure in time for Holy Week 2005 and how much would be the cost of her services and production.

May said she would bring her PC to Alabang and work on it at home after office hours. She would do the photography work herself, lay-outing and editing and even the write-ups (provided she would be supplied with all the necessary information) for the glossy, 4-fold type of brochure. She said she could finish it in 3 weeks’ time so she could beat the Holy Week deadline. All of these she could do at P16,000. She said printing cost might amount to P10/copy depending on the total quantity to be printed.

That negotiation never materialized.

The tourism brochure production was brought up again as part of the meetings and discussions regarding the 425th Foundation celebration and the publishing of the Foundation book as part of the proposal of Mr. Ben V. Afuang and Dr. Bien S. Saniano. The production estimates for both the tourism brochure and the proposed foundation book were presented by Mr. Afuang and Dr. Saniano to the SB during one of our meetings at the Mayor’s office. That was in May or June, 2005 (I have to check my files of our meetings).

The following meetings we had were about the Foundation Book and the Foundation Celebration for September, 2005. We met several times for 5 months with a group composed of the principals/heads of schools and teachers, both private and public, a group of consultants for the cultural and historical aspects of the said Foundation Celebration and a pool of writers and researchers for the Foundation Book.

The whole Sangguniang Bayan was not directly involved, hence, did not have a direct hand and participation in the conceptualization and production of the tourism brochure from the time this new proposal was introduced.

The Sanggunian members were assigned the following tasks:
Vice- Mayor Mutuk Bagabaldo – Nomination and Selection of the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; Stage Decoration
Coun. Delia Cadapan, Coun. Lilia Monfero, Coun. Ronald “Lapad” Valdellon – Solicitation of Advertisements from sponsors and NGO’s for the Foundation Book
Coun. Bokwet Cosico – plaques for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; sponsors from the corporate world and national government officials for the celebration and messages for the Foundation Book; tourism brochure production
Coun. Obet Pascual – Coordination with schools for the organization of the parade (daytime activity) and stage play (night time activity)
Coun. Kid Paraiso – Collection of relevant pictures for the foundation book
Coun. Odette Fadul-Sunga – in-charge of the write-ups for the awardees and presentation details for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete”; coordinated with Mr. Ben V. Afuang (editor and in-charge of the Foundation Book) in organizing the writers and researchers for the articles in the Foundation Book.

Based on the above assignments, only one member of the SB was part of the tourism brochure team. Majority of us had never been consulted nor had been asked to assess, make further comments and suggestions during the conceptualization and production stage. Thus, majority of us were not aware of its developments.

The articles that we (8 writers and researchers) wrote and submitted to Mr. Ben Afuang were intended for the foundation book and had nothing to do with the said tourism brochure. The articles that we wrote were about the following topics:
1. Brief History of Paete
2. Economic Development
3. Political Development
4. Education
5. Cultural and religious traditions
6. NGO’s and other socio-cultural organizations and their contributions to the community
7. Sports and Youth Development

Each writer/researcher submitted at least 5 pages to Mr. Afuang who summarized and edited said articles. We never expected that we would be paid for our articles. But it was officially taken up in the meetings that writers should be given fees. Each of us received P2000-P3000 amounting to a total of P22,000. This amount was personally handed to me by Mr. Afuang and Dr. Saniano in November, 2005 at the Adeci Bldg. I immediately distributed the said amount to the writers and researchers accordingly.

The pictures that were collected were also intended for the foundation book and not for the tourism brochure.

Sometime in October, 2005, the SB members were called for a meeting at the mayor’s office to discuss some matters regarding the case of the barangay captains. During that meeting, we accidentally saw the photocopy of that tourism brochure on the conference table. But it was not the subject of our meeting. A week later, we saw the printed and finished product for distribution.


#63: Re: SB & the TOURISM BROCHURE Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:54 pm
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odettes wrote:


The whole Sangguniang Bayan was not directly involved, hence, did not have a direct hand and participation in the conceptualization and production of the tourism brochure from the time this new proposal was introduced.



thanks for coming out kon odette. your explanation cleared the SB from the mess of this controversial tourism brochure.

saida


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#64:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:58 pm
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Salamat po Konsehala... Malinaw.
God bless!



Rgds,
Indoy

#65: Re: anonymous posters Author: Guest PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:07 pm
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Lost in translation... is me Laughing I am a barokan and would prepare staight tagalog...Thank you Laughing Laughing






Yes Wisdom does not come with all age, there are some who get aged or even died without it.....Some get it from time to time depending on their experience.... some are lucky they always have it longer, that is why they are next to heaven....... But definitely you will not be born with it, you will not get it at young age and or even "IF" you are intellect, it will "ONLY" come with your life experience of ups and downs. Because everybody are not privilege to have it. That is why the corporate world in Philippines will not hire a new Manager from outside, below 35 years of age together with long list of criterias before you get in, even if you get in there is always this quote that by mere lost of confidence can fire you anytime, even here in US becase it is a given psychological "FACTS". Even on this posting I will not claim that I have WISDOM or an expert of it as of this writting. Reacting to some negative (if you look at it as negative) opinion are already in lesser wisdom. But I'm willing to be devil's advocate if I have to, just to impart the fact(s)or enlighten somebody.

With Saida and the Basa's, exchanging posting with you guys are okay becase you can smile and have a tendency to accept anything even if when you were offended by others. But there will be, and we already have others that are not like us who can not smile or worst they will curse you, your family, even if they were not really offended. The Basa's said if it is not ringing their bell why react on it. Focus on OPINIONS, IDEAS and FACTS not the person..... so why fish on the person behind it if your intention are for the mere opinions, ideas and facts only.

Anonymous are okay for me, but as Angel said they were not really anonymous, if you were smart enough you can have an idea who they are or you can identify them yourself (and Please keep it to yourself)..... maybe that the reason why they are using pen names...... not to be known to less smarter reader because some don't read comprehensively that they get offended easily....... or making round and round about the issues and don't know how to accept the facts....... or keep themself blindly and lastly don't want to learn how to exit graciously about their defeated accusation.


Mar[/quote]

#66: Re: SB & the TOURISM BROCHURE Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:13 pm
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Isa kang tunay na lingkod ng bayan at mamamayan na may bagong puso, bagong kaisipan at dyan nag uumpisa ang tunay na pag-unlad ng bayan...tunay na lingkod ng Panginoon na nasa tunay na landas ng buhay...dapat marami ang katulad mo... Very Happy Wink

Tayo na po at maglingkod ng tapat para ang ating bayan ay tunay na mamukod dito sa Pilipinas! Very Happy

At kahit kayo ay mabingi, mainis, magalit sa akin...lagi kong babanggitin ang DIOS, ang ating kaisa-isang Panginoon sapagka't siya lamang ang may ALAM ng nilalaman ng aking puso Wink (Kung sino ka man PILIPINOY...Peace be with you, kilalang kilala ka ng lumikha sa iyo... Wink Love you in Christ's name...

Konsehala, hindi nagkamali ang mga nagmamahal sa iyong mamamayan ng Paete na nagtiwala sa iyong katalinuhan, tapat na puso, at ginintuang layunin!!!

#67: My personal opinion Author: Abraham B. Acala II PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:21 am
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And so the plot thickens. With Konsehala Odette’s post – what then, actually transpired in the creation of this much-talked about brochure? At the moment, I vacillate between wanting to know and not wanting to know. Who cares, really? The people responsible are assumingly adults who are supposed to know right from wrong. The trouble may just lie in their motivations and ultimately, the kind of decision they make.

But the truth is, I care. This is my first time to join a forum not related to Band 69. I feel strongly about the issue, not for any personal gains but because I believe in the natural and just cause of the matter simply because I care about Paete. Let me make this clear, up, front and center, that I am motivated by the desire to see that this matter is set clear. No underhanded bashing of any personality nor to shame anyone, but to see that this issue is cleared and put to rest as best as possible.

I personally saw the tourism brochure and I dare say that most of the shared criticisms are valid. The issue is very simple, it is price (meaning, the money spent in the production of the brochure) versus quality (meaning the desirability of the output).

Who wouldn’t want a brochure put out for Paete? We are very proud people and we want the world to discover how great we are as a people. It is very good that the Dept. of Tourism granted us this opportunity. But how well did we fare in handling this project?

What bothers me is this, to have some people feel that somehow, the price quoted as the expense allotted for the writers, photographer, editor and layout artist does not meet the expected outcome to command such an amount for services rendered. The only concrete thing here is that SEPMAR Enterprises did the printing and received the amount of P117,120 from the Municipal Treasurer of Paete, Laguna as full payment for 5,000 pcs.of brochures. If it is and is justifiably so, then I will reckon with the matter and move on. But what about the rest of the breakdown of expenses? It is not too much to ask, is it?

So how did the deals go? What were the transactions and agreements made? I am aware that maybe, it is very compromising to get into the details. Moreso, it may be uncouth to discuss this matter in a public forum such as this. We understand that we may not be privy to some affairs of the local government, but what is it that can be made known to us?

How I wish that these people who did the photography, write-ups, editing and layouting come into the open and settle this issue of trust. I am but a humble citizen of Paete, but I believe that my voice counts. Having this cloud of doubt over our heads over something that is supposed to unite us as proud Paetenians, instead is dividing us into sides, is very disconcerting. Surely, you will agree that all this will not helping in the march to progress of our beloved town.

In my attempt to air my personal opinion, one thing is for sure. It saddens me to think that the silent majority of the people of Paete may not even know about this issue because not all Paetenians have the luxury of time and money to browse the internet. I feel that we owe it to every Paetenian to be clear with our governance and in our efforts to make our town great. In fact, the main beneficiaries of the tourism program are the Paetenians living in Paete and they deserve nothing less than what is true. Ka Odette has started shedding, bravely, light on the matter as to the SB’s involvement (or should I say non-involvement). It is my hope that others would take the courage to expel the unrest that concerned Paetenians are experiencing at the moment.

Lastly, my appeal to those concerned (you know who you are) is this, please don't take this issue against those who criticized the product of your hardwork. If you are the Paetenians you say you are and have done Paete a favor by rendering your services through this brochure, please know that when you agreed to do so, you just might as well be open to criticism for the work that you do. Just take it constructively and in the open. Stand up for your actions and help clarify this issue. To our Mayor, you are our leader, the protector of the town and its people. I believe you know that you have the responsibility to let your constituents understand what you are doing for the town. I have faith in you that you will set this matter straight for all of us.

On one hand, it is not my wish to fuel further this discussion. On the other, I cannot just sit here and read along in silent confusion. All I seek is a clarification that is precise and true. In all this, I stand as a proud PAETENIAN. I believe in us as a people. And so let us move on and work together to take action and settle this matter.

#68: The boat and the miniature... Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:45 am
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Hello Mar...magandang araw sa iyo...ibig mong sabihin, ikaw ay isa sa gumawa nitong Tourist Boat na isa sa mga pictures sa brochure? Kapatid ka ni Berting (klasmeyt ko) at ni Tony? Ang tourist boat na ito ang unang-una kong napansin ng makita ko ang brochure. Dahil mahilig akong mag travel at sumakay ng boat. I said, "Wow, meron pala tayong tourist boat!" Ito baga ay nasa wawa? Believe it or not, hindi ko pa napupuntahan ang wawa, pero pag uwi ko itong Holy week ay maglalakad kami dun. Gusto kong makita itong boat..."cute na cute." Pwede bagang subukan? Pwede kaming sumakay dun? Meron bang life jackets, tulad nung mga nasakyan kong boat papuntang Mindoro, Pearl Farm...at iba pa...merong safety features ba ito? Di ba sa US, pag may nangyaring aksidente, ang nadedemanda ay ang gumawa nito?

Sabi mo:

Since you mention "The boat and the Miniature". Yes, I and some other who are behind it, But believed it or not it is more of a "gratis". Even my minial labor pay were even used fot the materials,


Tanong ko:

Anong ibig mong sabihin dito? Binayaran ka? Ano ang minial labor pay?
Dun sa sabi mong "even my minial labor pay were used fot the materials,"
....you used the minial labor pay to buy the materials?

#69:  Author: Guest PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:08 am
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Ako po si Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico, tagapangulo ng lupon ng turismo ng Sangguniang Bayan. Ibig ko lang pong susugan ang ipinahayag ni Kgg. Lourdes Fadul Sunga upang lalong makapagbigay ng kaliwanagan.

Sabi ni Odette:
“In early 2005, the SB Chairman of the Committee on Tourism, Councilor Bokwet Cosico, called one committee meeting to ask us for suggestions for the conceptualization and production of a “world-class tourism brochure” which the Department of Tourism and the Department of Trade and Industry had been requiring us so they could help us in promoting our products and boost the tourism industry of our town. This SB committee meeting regarding the tourism brochure was the first and last we had.”

Tama po ito. Isa lang beses po akong nagpatawag ng “committee” sa SB dahil noon pong buwan ng Marso ay nagtatag na ang Punong Bayan ng isang komitiba na siyang mag-aaral ng tungkol sa Tourism Brochure at Libro ng 425th Foundation of Paete. Ang komitibang ito ay binubuo ng Kgg. Sangguniang Bayan.

Sabi ni Odette:
“A week or two later, Coun. Cosico asked me if I knew anybody who could help us in the design and production of a tourism brochure. I said yes. I was asked to contact May V. Soriano, the daughter of a friend from Sta. Cruz, who’s connected with a prestigious advertising company in Alabang. I was confident in recommending her since I’ve seen her art portfolio showing her works as a professional graphic artist. She has done not a few brochures and posters for big companies in Manila.”

This is also true. Ang hindi po niya binaggit ay hiningan siya ng proposal ni Mayor. Pagkatapos ng pulong sa 3J’s ay hindi na nagpakita o tumawag man lang itong kanyang inirerekomenda.

Sabi ni Odette:
“The tourism brochure production was brought up again as part of the meetings and discussions regarding the 425th Foundation celebration and the publishing of the Foundation book as part of the proposal of Mr. Ben V. Afuang and Dr. Bien S. Saniano …”

Ang pahayag pong ito ay “misleading.” Ang tourism brochure at Foundation book ay laging magkasama sa iisang lupon kung saan ay kasapi ang Sangguniang Bayan (makikita sa unang katitikan na may petsa March 29, 2005 kung saan itinatag ang nasabing lupon.)





Sabi ni Odette:
“…The production estimates for both the tourism brochure and the proposed foundation book were presented by Mr. Afuang and Dr. Saniano to the SB during one of our meetings at the Mayor’s office. That was in May or June, 2005 (I have to check my files of our meetings).”

Tama po ito, please find the Minutes of meeting on June 17, 2005.)

Halaw sa katitikan/ulat ng lupon noong ika-17 ng Hunyo 2005


Sabi ni Odette:
“The whole Sangguniang Bayan was not directly involved, hence, did not have a direct hand and participation in the conceptualization and production of the tourism brochure from the time this new proposal was introduced.”

Ito po ay walang katutuhanan. Katulad ng nabanggit ko sa itaas, ang usapin sa Tourism Brochure at 425th Foundation Book ay laging magkasama sa iisang lupon. Bagama’t ang karaniwang sentro ng usapan ay nakatuon sa selebrasyon ng 425 Foundation at gagawing libro, kailanman ay hindi pinaghiwalay ang mga usaping ito. Sa katunayan, ang karamihan sa mga larawang nasa brochure ay kinalap ni Konsehal Aurelio “Kid” Paraiso. Paano niya nasabi na hindi “directly involved” ang buong Sangguniang Bayan samantalang ng itatag ng Punong Bayan ang komitiba ay magkasama ang brochure, Foundation Book at selebrasyon. (Please see minutes of the first meeting dated March 29, 2005)

Ang mga ipinahayag ni Kon. Odette na mga gaganap sang-ayon sa mga nabanggit na “TASK” ay hindi ko alam kung saan niya kinuha. Sang ayon sa mga katitikan, at ng unang binuo ang komitiba, ang mga sumusunod ang tagapanguna sa mga gawain:
(mapapansin sa unang katitikan na may petsa March 29, 2005)

KOMITE TAONG MANGANGASIWA
1. Articles at Write-Ups Kon. Odette Sunga
2. Gathering of Pictures Kon. Aurelio Paraiso
3. Historical Events Charman: Kon Obet Pascual
Assistant: Kon. Lilia Monfero
4. Messages Kon. Delia Cadapan
5. Solicitation
a. Letter to Sponsors Kon. Ronald Cosico
b. House to House Kon. Ronald Valdellon
6. Lay-out and Printing Dr. Bien Saniano / G. Ben Afuang

Sabi ni Odette:
“The pictures that were collected were also intended for the foundation book and not for the tourism brochure.”

Ito po ay mapapasubalian ni Kon. Aruelio Paraiso sapagkat karamihan sa mga litrato sa brochure ay galing sa mga nakalap ni Kon. Parasio na siyang nakatalaga sa gawaing ito.

Sabi ni Odette:
“Sometime in October, 2005, the SB members were called for a meeting at the mayor’s office to discuss some matters regarding the case of the barangay captains. During that meeting, we accidentally saw the photocopy of that tourism brochure on the conference table. But it was not the subject of our meeting. A week later, we saw the printed and finished product for distribution.”

Ang pagpupulong na ito, kung saan ay ipinakita ang “PROOF” (HINDI PHOTOCOPY) ng brochure ay hindi isang aksidente lamang. Ang nasabing “PROOF” ay sinadyang dalhin sa tanggapan ng Punong Bayan upang ipakita sa Sangguniang Bayan. Katunayan ay maraming napunang mali sa nasabing “proof”. Ang apilyedo ni Kon. Delia Cadapan ay naging “Cadapon” , ang Ronald ay Naging “Ronaldo” Cosico at ang Ronaldo ay naging “Ronald” Valdellon. Napansin din ang larawan ni Kon. Anselmo Cads at ito’y pinapalitan ng larawan ni Kon. Regin San Juan. Sa lahat ng mga pagbabagong ito ay kaharap si Kgg. Konsehala Odette Sunga.

Sana ang mga pahayag na ito ay magkaroon ng kalinawan sa lahat ng makakabasa nito.

“PRO DEO ET PATRIA!” PARA SA DIYOS AT SA BAYAN!

Lubos na gumagalang,
Konsehal Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico

#70: To Konsehal Cosico Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:38 am
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First, welcome to Usap Paete. And thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue. Your account provides a description of the conceptualization of the project.

In the initial planning, it seems that the estimated cost for the foundation book was 650,000 pesos. This is higher than what Ka Noel posted regarding the agreement with Sepmar - (according to Ka Noel, 256,000 pesos). The DOT grant was 200,000 pesos. I hope you would have the time to answer the following questions:

(1) How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

I understand that the conceptualization and planning stage is distinct and separate from what Sepmar actually did (execution of the project). I hope our readers likewise recognize this. Konsehal Cosico, thank you, in advance, for your time and attention.

#71: Re: My personal opinion Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:13 am
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Hello po Mang Abraham...mabuti naman po at sumali kayo dito...tulad nyo, mahal ko ang ating bayan, at isa po ako sa masigasig na nagsosolicit o nakikilahok sa aming fund raising para sa ating bayan ng Paete. Mamaya'y mainis ako Mad , mamaya'y ma inspired ako. Cool ..pero marami pa pong project na naka line-up...so kung dito sa brochure na ito ay may ganitong mga pangyayari, napakahirap pong isipin "ay ano kaya, yong mga nakaraang malalaking project?". Confused ..at ang iba pang darating na project Question . Pero di ko naman po matiis na di sasali lalo na't meron po akong magagawa.

Sa ibang kababayan (alam nyo kung sino kayo)...baiiiii at kung maaari po lamang, komo Valdecantos ang apelyido ko, Evil or Very Mad Mad ay huwag n'yong ikabit sa pinsan kong si Doc Nilo Valdecantos. Wink WALANG KULAY NG PULITIKA ang pagsali ko dito. Lagi na laang ganyan ang sinasabi mapa PULA o mapa BERDE! Ih bai, katatanda na natin! Maano ngang pagbutihin na ang nalalabi pang buhay!!!

Pareng Mayor, KAHIT SINO pa ang nakaupong mga Leader, ay ganito rin ang concern ko...nakakaabot sa akin ang lahat "daw" ng sinasabi mo...hindi na nga ako pumapatol...lahat ay tinatagurian kong TSISMIS, hanggang walang konkretong document na magpapatunay ng katotohanan. Pare, peace Wink

[quote="Abraham B. Acala II"]And so the plot thickens. With Konsehala Odette’s post – what then, actually transpired in the creation of this much-talked about brochure? At the moment, I vacillate between wanting to


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#72:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:30 am
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Kon. Bokwet Cosico wrote:

Sabi ni Odette:
“The pictures that were collected were also intended for the foundation book and not for the tourism brochure.”

Ito po ay mapapasubalian ni Kon. Aruelio Paraiso sapagkat karamihan sa mga litrato sa brochure ay galing sa mga nakalap ni Kon. Parasio na siyang nakatalaga sa gawaing ito
.


Konsehal, yun po bang picture ni dating Konsehal Anselmo Cads na aksidenteng napadikit sa “PROOF” ay nakalap din ni Konsehal Kid Paraiso?



Kon. Bokwet Cosico wrote:

Sabi ni Odette:
“Sometime in October, 2005, the SB members were called for a meeting at the mayor’s office to discuss some matters regarding the case of the barangay captains. During that meeting, we accidentally saw the photocopy of that tourism brochure on the conference table. But it was not the subject of our meeting. A week later, we saw the printed and finished product for distribution.”

Ang pagpupulong na ito, kung saan ay ipinakita ang “PROOF” (HINDI PHOTOCOPY) ng brochure ay hindi isang aksidente lamang. Ang nasabing “PROOF” ay sinadyang dalhin sa tanggapan ng Punong Bayan upang ipakita sa Sangguniang Bayan. Katunayan ay maraming napunang mali sa nasabing “proof”. Ang apilyedo ni Kon. Delia Cadapan ay naging “Cadapon” , ang Ronald ay Naging “Ronaldo” Cosico at ang Ronaldo ay naging “Ronald” Valdellon. Napansin din ang larawan ni Kon. Anselmo Cads at ito’y pinapalitan ng larawan ni Kon. Regin San Juan. Sa lahat ng mga pagbabagong ito ay kaharap si Kgg. Konsehala Odette Sunga.


Buti na lang po napag-tuunan ng pansin ng mga Konsehal na ang kanilang mga pangalan ay mali-mali ang spelling at nagkahalu-halo. Sana po ay binusisi nila ang kabuuan ng “PROOF” prior to printing, dahil dito po sa print department namin ay kahit ilang ulit kaming gumawa ng proof ay walang problema hanggat hindi perpekto at nasisiyahan ang aming cliente sa magiging outcome ng kanilang order.

Maraming salamat po sa inyong panibagong paglilinaw.
Mabuhay ang Paete!


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#73:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:38 am
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sabi ni kon bokwet sa pamamagitan ni ka noel:

> This is also true. Ang hindi po niya binaggit ay
> hiningan siya ng proposal ni Mayor. Pagkatapos ng
> pulong sa 3J’s ay hindi na nagpakita o tumawag man
> lang itong kanyang inirerekomenda.

from the friend of kon. odette's bid of
Php16,000.00 as against SEPMAR's Php122,000.00 [a
difference of Php106,000.00!!!] hindi baga ninyo
naalalang tawagin ang pansin ni kon odette para muling
kontakin ang kaibigan niya na sumali sa bidding?


> Sa katunayan, ang
> karamihan sa mga larawang nasa brochure ay kinalap
> ni Konsehal Aurelio “Kid” Paraiso.

binayaran din baga nina mr afuang at mr
saniano si kon paraiso mula sa Php14,500.00 na
ibinayad ng paete sa SEPMAR na nagbayad kina mr afuang
at mr saniano....ay sus, nalilito na ako Question Exclamation Question Exclamation wala namang
kaso kung siya ay binayaran [tulad din ng mga writers
at researchers, ok lang yon dahil nagpagod din naman
sila], ang gusto ko lang malaman ay kung kani-kanino
galing yung mga pictures. at pati baga sa 425th paete
book ay ganoon din ang nangyari, nangalap kayo ng mga
litrato para ibigay kina mr afuang at mr sanianio para sila ang magbigay sa SEPMAR? hindi baga ninyo naisip na napakamahal ng charge ng SEPMAR [14,500!!!!!]sa photograpy samantalang ang mga litratong ginamit ay mga luma na hiningi lamang ninyo kung kani-kanino? baka si kon kid paraiso ang pwedeng sumagot nito....please Question Question Question




> 6. Lay-out and Printing Dr. Bien Saniano / G. Ben
> Afuang

hindi ito sinagot ni ka noel noong unang
itinanong ko sa kanya, baka sakaling ikaw ang
makasagot: are you aware EVEN BEFORE THE START OF THE BIDDING that mr ben afuang and mr. bien saniano have
"business relations" with SEPMAR?


> Sana ang mga pahayag na ito ay magkaroon ng
> kalinawan sa lahat ng makakabasa nito.

sana nga ay mabigyan mo ng sapat at tapat na linaw ang lahat ng
ito at ng matapos na ng matiwasay. isang payo ko
lamang sa iyo, limit-limitan mo na ang oras mo dito sa
USAP at magmember ka na rin sa ML dahil siguradong
marami kang sasaguting mga katanungan mula sa ating
mga kababayan. napakahirap naman yata kung meyor pa
ang gagawin mong secretary....jok lang!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

maraming salamat kon bokwet!

saida

#74: Nice to hear from you... Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:27 am
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Konsehal, pwede bagang mag submit ka ng picture dito sa Usap para naman makilala ko ikaw. Umuuwi ako sa Paete, ay baka nakakasalubong ko ikaw, ay di ko man lang ikaw mabati Very Happy

Teka, makapagtanong nga din po...pag pinag-uusapan ang pictures... ako ay litong-lito. Binabayaran ba ang may-ari ng pictures? Nuong mag meeting ang Matanglawin sa canteen ni Ms. Flora Cadawas, nilapitan ako ni Mr. Ben Afuang, at nagtatanong ng mga pictures na kuha ko nuong Paete summit. Gagamitin daw sa 425th yr. coffee book. Natuwa ako, and I am more than honored to provide the pictures. kaya lang sabi ko, hindi ko dala ang mga ito. Pagdating ko sa America, I will email the pictures to him kung hindi pa ito huli...at hiniling ko na isulat nya ang particular event na gusto nya dahil ang dami kong naka file na mga pictures. He gave me a list. I am not interested to get paid, I am willing to donate my file of pictures for FREE basta para sa bayan.

#75: Clarifications Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:20 pm
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Kon. Bokwet said and Mayor wrote:

"Ito po ay walang katutuhanan. Katulad ng nabanggit ko sa itaas, ang usapin sa Tourism Brochure at 425th Foundation Book ay laging magkasama sa iisang lupon. Bagama’t ang karaniwang sentro ng usapan ay nakatuon sa selebrasyon ng 425 Foundation at gagawing libro, kailanman ay hindi pinaghiwalay ang mga usaping ito"

If we were considered to be a separate committee that should deal with the tourism brochure, why weren't we called in a separate meeting so we could discuss and study the matters regarding this brochure thoroughly? Why should this very important topic incorporated in a general agenda and taken up before the other working committee members such as the teachers and others who don't belong to this committee?

If the Tourism Brochure had always been part of the agenda and related to the topics on the Foundation Book and the 425th Foundation Celebration, why were there no discussions regarding its details such as the selection of the pictures to be published, the people who would do the write-ups, the design and lay-out, etc.?

If the Tourism Brochure Committee was composed of the whole SB, how come no one among us could answer the pertinent questions during the SB Regular Session held last March 22, 2006 wherein I delivered a privilege speech concerning Mr. Tito Basa's 'Open Letter to SB'? Why would Kon. Bokwet refer this matter to the committee on Good Governance under Kon. Lilia Monfero?

#76: Personal Notes Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:10 pm
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Kon. Bokwet said and Mayor wrote:

"Ang mga ipinahayag ni Kon. Odette na mga gaganap sang-ayon sa mga nabanggit na “TASK” ay hindi ko alam kung saan niya kinuha. "

Although I have a file of the copies of the minutes of the meetings regarding the Foundation Celebration and other related topics, I religiously take down my personal notes during these meetings. The terminologies which I used might differ from the minutes of the secretary, but the essence remained the same. Does the difference in the terminologies used ('solicitation' vs. 'house-to-house';'gathering of pictures' vs. 'collection of relevant pictures' ) really matter?

#77: Kon Odette Friend Bid VS SEPMAR Author: eboytonsLocation: Antonio F. Dalagan PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:02 pm
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Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,

Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito??? Question Exclamation Rolling Eyes
Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan??? Wink
Sa opinion ko, siguro kung inilabas mo ang bagay na
ito noon pa, masmaganda ang naging takbo at malinaw ang usapan,
pero tila lalong nagiging masalimuot ang usapan. Konsehal ka pa
naman, dapat naging maagap ka sana sa paglalabas ng kung ano man
ang totoo. Yun lang Salamat Konsehal.

Para Kay Ludee,

Ako na ang sasagot sa tanong mo kay Mar Dalagan,
Yes, kapatid ko si Mar Dalagan, pinakabunso sa amin, lumaki diyan
at hindi nag-aral sa Maynila kundi sa Los Banios, nakarating dito sa
Amerika dahil sa kanyang kakayahan at specialization sa styroform
carving in modern techniques kasama na ang ice carvings, culinary
arts like vegetables and fruits carvings, marami na siyang award sa
competition bagamat he maintained a low profile Paetenians(like our
family). About the tourist boat, siya na ang sasagot sa iyo. Laughing
Regards, Wink
YnoT


#78: Re: Kon Odette Friend Bid VS SEPMAR Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:32 pm
    —
sabi ni tony:

>>>>>Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,
Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito???

maidagdag ko lang pala...yung 16,000.00 quotation from odette's friend ay wala pa ang printing cost doon. assuming it is 10.00 ea x 5000 pcs = 10,000.00....di hamak pa rin sanang mas malaki ang natipid kumpara sa SEPMAR.




>>>>Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan???

ito ay isa sa napakagandang tanong na hindi lamang para kay kon odette kundi para sa lahat ng taong involved sa project na ito particularly kay ka noel at bokwet. kahit sino ang humalukay sa mga ginastos sa brochure na ito ay talagang hindi maubos-maisip ng walang malisya kung bakit napayagang gumastos ng ganoong kalaking halaga samantalang may mga paraan naman para makatipid.

in my previous posting, i cleared the SB from the mess of this controversial brochure pero ang sabi ni bokwet ay kasama daw sila sa proyektong ito. ay sya hala....matiyagang nakatutok at naghihintay ng inyong mga kasagutan ang ating buong sambayanan sa buong mundo.

#79:  Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:42 pm
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In a bidding process, without a competing bidder, there is nothing Ka Noel or Councilor Bokwet can do. Sepmar made the sole bid, which was in line with the requirements, Ka Noel nor Councilor Bokwet cannot challenge that bid. Otherwise, one will be placing a lot of power on the government, which is detrimental to private enterprises that have the right to participate in government projects.

#80:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:42 pm
    —
adedios wrote:
In a bidding process, without a competing bidder, there is nothing Ka Noel or Councilor Bokwet can do. Sepmar made the sole bid, which was in line with the requirements, Ka Noel nor Councilor Bokwet cannot challenge that bid. Otherwise, one will be placing a lot of power on the government, which is detrimental to private enterprises that have the right to participate in government projects.


yes i agree. but the meeting with odette's friend [where she quoted 16,000.00 + maybe 50,000.00 for printing] was held several months before the bid was published. the price bid of 125,000.00 for the brochure was set by ben and bien [if we are to follow the postings of ka noel], di hamak na mas mataas.

here in our office, we have an annual bidding for the health insurance of our employees. aside from publishing the notice of bid in the newspapers, one of the tasks i do is to call and invite several health insurance companies to make sure na marami kaming bidders. the requirement is at least 3 bidders. if there is only 1 or 2 bidders, it is declared "failure" then i will have to call again other companies. kung talagang kulang pa rin ang bidder, that's the time we do the a lot of justifications, deliberations and assessments to make sure na hindi kami malulugi when we finally award the bid.

in the case of our brochure, i wonder why nobody thought of inviting odette's friend to join that bidding considering a very well known fact na mas mababang di hamak ang offer niya. it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..... Wink Wink Wink

#81: para kay prof. angel de dios Author: kon. bokwet cosico PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:12 am
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Magandang araw po propesor. Salamat po sa inyong pagbibigay pansin sa aking pahayag.
Eto po ang aking mga kasagutan sa inyong mga katanungan:

(1) “How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?”

Noon pong pinag-uusapan pa lamang ang konsepto ng proyektong ito, ay ang napagtibay na budget para sa libro ay 650,000 kasama na ang printing. Sa aming pakikipag-ugnayan kay G.Frank Rivera ay napag-alaman namin na pwedeng sa UST ipa imprenta ang libro na walang paunang bayad kundi bibilhin namin ang mga librong inimprenta sa halagang mapagkakasunduan. Ang naging desisyon ay sa UST na lamang ipaimprenta sapagka’t ang ibabayad sa UST ay mababawi din sa maibebentang libro sa mga tulad ng Ayala Foundation, San Mig Corp, PAGCOR, NCCA, atbp.

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

Ang kadagdagang pondo po ay nagmula sa 20% development fund na nakalaan sa Turismo.

Sana po ay nakapagbigay ng kaliwanagan ang aking kasagutan sa iyong katanungan.

Kumusta na po kayo?

Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico

#82:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:40 am
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Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
“hindi ito sinagot ni ka noel noong unang
itinanong ko sa kanya, baka sakaling ikaw ang
makasagot: are you aware EVEN BEFORE THE START OF THE BIDDING that mr ben afuang and mr. bien saniano have "business relations" with SEPMAR?”


Saida, ako na ang sasagot uli sa tanong mo kay Kon. Bokwet. Ulitin ko dahil parang nakalimutan mo na. If you will go back to my posting dated March 29, 2006 10:08AM I said:

“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

I even clarified it with my answer to Indoy posted March 30, 2006 12:54 AM as follow:

“…Because if you know the meaning of "strictly business between them" they are the only ones who can tell you what you want to know.”

Sabi ni Saida sa sagot kay Angel:
Quote:
“…yes i agree. but the meeting with odette's friend [where she quoted 16,000.00 + maybe 50,000.00 for printing] was held several months before the bid was published. the price bid of 125,000.00 for the brochure was set by ben and bien [if we are to follow the postings of ka noel], di hamak na mas mataas.”

Anong puntos mo dito Saida? As you said it was several months (hindi pa nga namin alam kung magkano dapat and badyet para sa libro at brochure nong makipag meeting kami sa kaibigan ni Odette.

Sabi uli ni Saida:
Quote:
“…in the case of our brochure, i wonder why nobody thought of inviting odette's friend to join that bidding considering a very well known fact na mas mababang di hamak ang offer niya.”


Wala siyang ginawang formal offer. Vocal estimate lang niya yon kaya nga hiningan ko ng proposal na hindi naman nag submit. Paano naming malalaman na MABABANG DI HAMAK ang offer niya noong panahong iyon gayong hindi pa nga naming alam kung magkano ang magiging budget para sa brochure! Besides don't you think Odette is in the best position to asnwer this? Siya ang kaibigan at may contact, nong malaman na niya (at kasama naman siya sa mga meeting na P125,000 ang budget ng brochure eh bakit kaya hindi na niya ulit tinawagan ang kaibigan nya para mag submit ng offer?

Sabi pa ni Saida:
Quote:
“…it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..”


Aba, Saida… I think your innuendo is treading on very thin ice.


Cheers,
Ka Noel


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#83: As Stated Author: tony dalagan PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:40 am
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Saida,
Pabayaan muna nating si Odette ang magpaliwanag, hindi
naman ikaw ang tinatanong ko... Laughing
Palagay ko, masmaganda at detalyado kung si Odette ang
magpapaliwanag, ganon din kung bakit bigla na lamang nawala
sa process ang proposal ( o kung may quote na) ang "friend" ni
Odette. Please lang, no offense intended...OKey? Wink
Regards,
tony dalagan Smile

#84: para kay prof. angel de dios Author: kon. bokwet cosico PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:46 am
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Magandang araw po propesor. Salamat po sa inyong pagbibigay pansin sa aking pahayag.
Eto po ang aking mga kasagutan sa inyong mga katanungan:

(1) “How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?”

Noon pong pinag-uusapan pa lamang ang konsepto ng proyektong ito, ay ang napagtibay na budget para sa libro ay 650,000 kasama na ang printing. Sa aming pakikipag-ugnayan kay G.Frank Rivera ay napag-alaman namin na pwedeng sa UST ipa imprenta ang libro na walang paunang bayad kundi bibilhin namin ang mga librong inimprenta sa halagang mapagkakasunduan. Ang naging desisyon ay sa UST na lamang ipaimprenta sapagka’t ang ibabayad sa UST ay mababawi din sa maibebentang libro sa mga tulad ng Ayala Foundation, San Mig Corp, PAGCOR, NCCA, atbp.

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

Ang kadagdagang pondo po ay nagmula sa 20% development fund na nakalaan sa Turismo.

Sana po ay nakapagbigay ng kaliwanagan ang aking kasagutan sa iyong katanungan.

Kumusta na po kayo?

Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico

#85:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:08 am
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Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
Quote:
“Although I have a file of the copies of the minutes of the meetings regarding the Foundation Celebration and other related topics, I religiously take down my personal notes during these meetings. The terminologies which I used might differ from the minutes of the secretary, but the essence remained the same. Does the difference in the terminologies used ('solicitation' vs. 'house-to-house';'gathering of pictures' vs. 'collection of relevant pictures' ) really matter?”


Let us compare the official Committee of SB vs the Notes of Kon. Odette:

Official Committee of SB (as per minutes of meeting dated March 29, 2005)
1. Articles at Write-Ups - Kon. Odette Sunga
2. Gathering of Pictures - Kon. Aurelio Paraiso
3. Historical Events Chairman - Kon Obet Pascual
Assistant: Kon. Lilia Monfero
4. Messages- Kon. Delia Cadapan
5. Solicitation:
a. Letter to Sponsors Kon. Ronald Cosico
b. House to House Kon. Ronald Valdellon
6. Lay-out and Printing Dr. Bien Saniano / G. Ben Afuang

Committee as per notes of Kon. Odette:

The Sanggunian members were assigned the following tasks:
Vice- Mayor Mutuk Bagabaldo – Nomination and Selection of the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; Stage Decoration
Solicitation of Advertisements from sponsors and NGO’s for the Foundation Book Coun. Delia Cadapan, Coun. Lilia Monfero, Coun. Ronald “Lapad” Valdellon –
Coun. Bokwet Cosico – plaques for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; sponsors from the corporate world and national government officials for the celebration and messages for the Foundation Book; tourism brochure production
Coun. Obet Pascual – Coordination with schools for the organization of the parade (daytime activity) and stage play (night time activity)
Coun. Kid Paraiso – Collection of relevant pictures for the foundation book
Coun. Odette Fadul-Sunga – in-charge of the write-ups for the awardees and presentation details for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete”; coordinated with Mr. Ben V. Afuang (editor and in-charge of the Foundation Book) in organizing the writers and researchers for the articles in the Foundation Book.

1. Articles at Write-Ups –Kon. Odette (TAMA)
2. Gathering of Pictures – Kon. Kid Paraiso – Collection of relevant pictures for the foundation book ( MALI, kasama ang Brochure sa itinatag na Komiti, makikita sa minutes na may title na: “BROCHURE AT LIBRO PARA SA IKA 425 TAONG ANIBERSARYO NG PAETE”…. “dito ay tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika-425 Taong Aniversaryo ng Paete, Laguna.
3. Historical Events - Coun. Obet Pascual – Coordination with schools for the organization of the parade (daytime activity) and stage play (night time activity) (TAMA)
4. Messages- Coun. Bokwet Cosico – plaques for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; sponsors from the corporate world and national government officials for the celebration and messages for the Foundation Book; tourism brochure production. (Nagkahalo-halo, dahil si Kon. Bokwet ay Chairman ng Solicitation sa Manila, corporate sponsors pero hindi sa Messages dahil ito ay kay Kon. Delia. Hindi din siya ang chairman ng tourism brochure production. Maliwanag na wala ito sa ating Minutes)
5. Solicitation- Coun. Delia Cadapan, Coun. Lilia Monfero, Coun. Ronald “Lapad” Valdellon (MALI, si Kon. Lapad lamang ang sa solicitation. Napakiusapan lang niya si Kon. Delia nong bandang huli na tulungan siya sa house to house. Si Kon. Monfero naman ay assistant ni Kon. Pascual sa Historical Events.
6. Lay-out and Printing - Mr. Ben V. Afuang (editor and in-charge of the Foundation Book) in organizing the writers and researchers for the articles in the Foundation Book.
(Mali, as per our original minutes of meeting, Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang are incharge of Lay-out and printing of both brochures and Foundation book.)

I cannot understand why Kon. Odette have her own committee not in harmony with the agreed set up. Baka naman hindi lang natandaan. Please refer to our minutes of meeting dated March 29, 2005.

Ka Noel

#86: Paglilinaw po lamang.. Author: Kid Paraiso PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:21 am
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Para Sa Lahat po ng kinaukulan :

Bilang nabanggit po ang aking pangalan sa usaping ito tungkol sa "Tourism Brochure".

Ang tangi ko pong masasabi ay ako ang ang naatasan at namahala sa pagkalap o pagkuha ng mga larawan o pictures na mayroon kaugnayan sa gagawing Foundation books at Tourism brochures..

Ginawa ko pong maka pangalap at maka kuha ng mga lumang larawan at mga bagong kuha (pictures taking) na gagamitin po dito sa nasabing proyekto.

Matapos ko pong makapangalap ng mga luma at makakuha ng bagong larawan, ay kada pagpupulong po ng Working Committees ay isinusumiti o ibinibigay ko po ang mga nakakalap o nakuha at nai-padevelope kong mga larawan Kay G. Ben Afuang, na siya po naman nangangasiwa sa mga larawan para sa ila-lay-out nasabing books at brochures.

Meron pong mga larawan doon sa Tourism Brochure na galing po sa aking mga nakalap o nakuha..

Ngayon po, sa inyong mga katanungan, kung ako ay binayaran para dito, o tumanggap ng anumang kabayaran tungkol dito? Ang aking sagot ay ito.. "Wala po akong tinanggap na anumang kabayaran o walang ibinigay na bilang kabayaran o bayad dito", katunayan po ay sa aking pagkakaalam ay tatlong FILM (3) o Apat na FILM ang aking naipa-developed, pero yun po ay akin ng sariling gastos..


Maraming Salamat po,


Kid Paraiso


P.S.- Kung tapos na po ang lay-outing ng mga pictures/larawan, partikular
po doon sa mga lumang larawan na hiniram ko sa Simbahan at sa
mga ibat-ibang tao ay magalang ko pong hinihiling na maibalik sa
akin at aking pong isasauli sa mga kinaukulan.

Salamat PO.

#87: Re: The boat and the miniature... Author: Marcelo Dalagan PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:42 pm
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dadaludy wrote:
Hello Mar...magandang araw sa iyo...
Since you mention "The boat and the Miniature". Yes, I and some other who are behind it, But believed it or not it is more of a "gratis". Even my minial labor pay were even used fot the materials,


Tanong ko:

Anong ibig mong sabihin dito? Binayaran ka? Ano ang minial labor pay?
Dun sa sabi mong "even my minial labor pay were used fot the materials,"
....you used the minial labor pay to buy the materials?


Hi Ludy....Magandang araw di naman...Yes mga kapatid ko nga ang mga nabangit mong pangalan.....At kahit noong aktibista pa ako sa Los Banos ay pinapayuhan lang nila ako pero never nila ako diniktahan, inudyukan pinigilan o sa kung ano man ang paniwala at mga gawain ko pero buo pa rin ang suporta nila sa akin. Kaya malaki respeto ko sa kanila.
Tungkol sa tanong mo tungkol sa bangka sasagutin ko kahit ano ang katanungan mo....kung idinerecta mo sana sa e-mail ko, detalyado! Pero bakit naman kita sasagutin dito sa ML ay malinaw naman na gagamitin lang ninyong sa panibagong usapin " no way". PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo? Pasensiya ka na at gusto ko rin kasing magkapag-ambag......

Tungkol duon sa minial labor pay...... Kahapon magandang araw ko at kahit ngayon at baka hanggang sa pag-uwi ko uli diyan itatapat ko na uli ng Eleksiyon. Araw namin mag-asawa kahapon, kahapon din 1st day ko, alam ko na ang starting rate ko ay $20 per Hour kaso nasorpresa ako na inalok ako ng sasakyan at bahay sabi ko sa next month na lang kapag fix sa $1,500 na ako per week, uunahin ko muna yung abogado ko, mahirap maging illegal dito di baga? Ngayon sa BANGKA wala akong bayad dun...sa miniature mga P300 per day lang yata hindi ko tanda dahil di naman ako interesado, NGAYON May Idea Ka na? Pasensiya ka na nabangit ko pati di nasa mabangit.O hanggang dito na lang muna at hintayin ko sagot mo?

Salamat.

Mar

#88: COMMITTEES Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:31 pm
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I'm so sorry mayor for the minor inconsistencies in posting the committees. But I just hope the readers and our kababayans have taken the point that I was driving at.

Based on the committees that we have in the minutes that have been presented here, the majority of the SB members were never part of the brochure committee and were never really consulted and were never really aware of the details in the conceptualization and production of the said tourism brochure.

I had to apeak out what's in my mind and in my heart upon reading your April 2 reply to Saida:
"Hindi pa ba sapat sa inyo na ang buong Sangguniang Bayan na ang nag-isip at nagprepara ng project na ito? As early as March, 2005 ay pinag-aaralan na po ito."
"Masyado bang nakakasira sa mga turista kung ito'y nakalitrato sa brochure? Sorry, hindi naisip ng Committee(SB) na napakalaking issue pala nitong pagkakalagay ng Durian!"

I want to clear the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan from the Tourism Brochure controversy. I am doing this in good faith since I believe I owe it to my colleagues in the Sanggunian.

In fact, I have formally brought out this matter to the attention of the SB during our March 22 regular session where I delivered my privilege speech. I gave them the copy of the "OPEN LETTER TO SB" posted by Mr. Tito Basa on February 14, 2006. I wonder why I got a very cold response from the other councilors. The questions have been left unanswered. Until now majority of them have opted to remain silent.

#89:  Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:41 pm
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Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,

Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito???
Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan???
Sa opinion ko, siguro kung inilabas mo ang bagay na
ito noon pa, masmaganda ang naging takbo at malinaw ang usapan,
pero tila lalong nagiging masalimuot ang usapan. Konsehal ka pa
naman, dapat naging maagap ka sana sa paglalabas ng kung ano man
ang totoo. Yun lang Salamat Konsehal.

Ka Tony,

Saida was the one who compared the big difference in the design and production costs offered by my friend against the actual costs incurred by the municipal government of Paete for this tourism brochure.

Actually, it should have been : P16,000 (compared to P73,000) for design, photography,lay-outing,etc.

That was a preliminary meeting between my friend and Mayor (March, 2005). I was just there to observe. Kon. Cosico was also there. It was not a "bidding."

That was a year ago, March, 2005. This issue started only on February 14, 2006.

I respect my friend's decision if she opted not to submit a formal proposal to our mayor.

How could I possibly suggest to our mayor things related to the said brochure when I never knew that there had been a bidding in October, 2005? I have just learned about it here in USAP PAETE and ML.

I suggest that you also ask the other councilors to shed some light on this brochure issue. They haven't voiced out anything or whatever they know that could possibly help resolve this issue.

I'm indeed puzzled why the other concerned councilors have preferred to remain silent.

Some of the things presented and tackled here did not really answer the questions of our kababayans, such as -
1. Who did the design and the lay-out?
2. Who did the write-up and was paid P14,500?
3. Who was/were paid P14,500 for the photography?
4. Who did the managing and editing for P29,500?
5. Who suggested and selected the pictures to be published here?

These are but simple questions that require simple answers.

I know there are other questions that need to be answered. I just hope there would be more brave souls who could help resolve this issue once and for all.

This is not just a matter concerning the cost and the quality of the tourism brochure. It entails more than that.

My genuine concern is to protect the integrity of the Sangguniang Bayan and to search for TRUTH and JUSTICE.



#90:  Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:45 pm
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Konsehal Sunga:

The brochure is one part of a big thing that Paete is trying to do. For this reason, it may not look straightforward to entangle the issue. The way I see it, there are other items in the agenda of all of those meetings. After all, the Sangguniang Bayan was preparing for the event itself, the celebration of the Foundation day of Paete.

So again in this light, it is helpful to pause and try to understand the flow of events. The conceptualization and planning stage are very distinct from the actual execution of the project. The Sangguniang Bayan was not the body responsible for the execution of the project. This was Sepmar's job. And distilling most of the problems and perceived shortcomings of the project really boils down to the execution of the project. Sepmar is private and is not part of the municipal government. It is apparent that Sepmar did recruit services from Paetenians and this is a private transaction.

The funds for this project even came way after most of these meetings that were held by the Sangguniang Bayan. The minutes show that Konsehal Cosico was placed in charge of soliciting the funds necessary for the project from possible sources in Manila. And I know that during the time that I was in Paete (early August), Konsehal Cosico was still trying to obtain the funding. I would imagine that the conceptualization and planning stage was done so as to secure the funding. A proposal is required to get funding. And I remember when Ka Noel and Konsehal Cosico sat down with Ayala Foundation, preliminary questions are always asked that even at that point, a plan has to be in place. From the minutes that you have kindly shared and those of Konsehal Cosico, it appears that indeed this is what is being addressed by the Sangguniang Bayan: The plan - and it includes of course, all the other activities relevant to the Foundation celebration. It is a big event so it is only expected that the Sangguniang Bayan divides the enormous task among its members. And since the brochure is only a part of this, I am actually not surprised that much of the attention will be drawn to the actual celebration of the event as well as the book.

The funding when it became available changed the picture. The job began to involve the granting agency, the Department of Tourism. There are guidelines and rules, I imagine, that this funding would have brought to the table. At this point, the project left the Sangguniang Bayan. It also altered the role of the municipal government. The bidding process is supposed to be independent from the elected officials. For example, I do not think any of the elected officials has the power to affect the bidding process. There is a committee assigned specifically for this process and that committee includes someone from the Commission on Audit. The approval of the brochures also went to the hands of the Department of Tourism. I would imagine that the municipal government could have approached the Department of Tourism at some point before the printing of the brochures, but this is one subject that is probably too late to discuss at this point.

When I left in August, there was not that much time left before the actual Foundation event. This was a lot of work on the shoulder of the municipal government especially the Sangguniang Bayan. And I see how much the municipal government would like to get all of these things done on time. And it is really tough, the government does not have an infinite amount of resources. After all, brochures, books and event are not the only ones that require the attention of the government officials. And I sincerely believe that all of you deserve a lot of credit for all the hardwork that you all do. You work hard together to make things happen. It may not be perfect to all, but to me, you all have done a great job and I do not feel having any right not to give praise and respect to each and everyone of you. And I know that a lot of people share this feeling of gratitude to each and everyone of you. We have enormous problems, there are more to come, but I am optimistic that with the current officials of Paete, we will thrive. I say that I do not feel any right to criticize for one reason. All I have to do is to look at how much all of you are paid and compare that to the responsibilities that you shoulder. And it is obvious - you all sacrifice a lot, a lot more than I could ever boast I could give to Paete.

To all of you who serve Paete - You have my utmost respect and admiration. You deserve no less.

Sincerely,
Angel

#91: Re: Paglilinaw po lamang.. Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:17 pm
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Kid Paraiso wrote:

Ngayon po, sa inyong mga katanungan, kung ako ay binayaran para dito, o tumanggap ng anumang kabayaran tungkol dito? Ang aking sagot ay ito.. "Wala po akong tinanggap na anumang kabayaran o walang ibinigay na bilang kabayaran o bayad dito", katunayan po ay sa aking pagkakaalam ay tatlong FILM (3) o Apat na FILM ang aking naipa-developed, pero yun po ay akin ng sariling gastos..
.



kon kid,

thanks a lot for your short, simple but straightforward answer. ito ay nakadagdag ng malaking linaw sa agam agam at pagmumuni muni ng marami

saida

#92: Re: As Stated Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:25 pm
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tony dalagan wrote:

Saida,
Pabayaan muna nating si Odette ang magpaliwanag, hindi
naman ikaw ang tinatanong ko... Laughing
Palagay ko, masmaganda at detalyado kung si Odette ang
magpapaliwanag, ganon din kung bakit bigla na lamang nawala
sa process ang proposal ( o kung may quote na) ang "friend" ni
Odette. Please lang, no offense intended...OKey? Wink
Regards,
tony dalagan Smile


no problem ynot.....inihabol ko lang sa 16,000.00 yung posibleng cost ng printing na 50,000.00....at nag follow up lang sa maganda mong tanong...uuwi ka baga sa mahal na araw for your grand class reunion?
rgds din kay bentot.

#93:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:52 pm
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kanoel wrote:

Sabi pa ni Saida:
Quote:
“…it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..”


Aba, Saida… I think your innuendo is treading on very thin ice.
Cheers,
Ka Noel



ka noel,

whether it's thin ice or crushed ice, the innuendo was based on the statement that came straight from the horse's mouth.....from our phone converstaion at sa sagot mo kay indoy:

“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

i was just curiously treading on a very thin ice until i accidentally stepped on a seemingly tip of the iceberg ... Wink Wink Wink

more cheers! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

saida

#94: Re: The boat and the miniature... Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:56 pm
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Sabi ni Mar...

Hi Ludy....Magandang araw di naman...Yes mga kapatid ko nga ang mga nabangit mong pangalan.....At kahit noong aktibista pa ako sa Los Banos ay pinapayuhan lang nila ako pero never nila ako diniktahan, inudyukan pinigilan o sa kung ano man ang paniwala at mga gawain ko pero buo pa rin ang suporta nila sa akin. Kaya malaki respeto ko sa kanila.

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Huh? Duh? Hindi ko naman tinatanong kung nire respeto mo ang 2 mong kapatid...at hindi ko rin naman itinatanong kung diniktahan ka nila, pinigilan or what...


Sabi ni Mar...

Tungkol sa tanong mo tungkol sa bangka sasagutin ko kahit ano ang katanungan mo....kung idinerecta mo sana sa e-mail ko, detalyado! Pero bakit naman kita sasagutin dito sa ML ay malinaw naman na gagamitin lang ninyong sa panibagong usapin " no way".

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Hindi ko naman kailangan ang detalyado at simple lang ang tanong ko, no hidden agenda, ay sa namaganda ko ang boat na gawa mo ay!!! Excuse me!!!...at anong panibagong usapin ang sinasabi mo dyan? Pag sinagot ako ng anak ko ng "no way" lagi ko silang sinasagot ng "there is nothing impossible to God" Very Happy pero hindi ko naman ikaw anak ay Crying or Very sad ...kaya ang sagot ko sa iyo ay..."ah hu hu...LET GO, LET GOD... Wink peace be with you...

Sabi ni Mar...

PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo? Pasensiya ka na at gusto ko rin kasing magkapag-ambag......

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Aba...akala ko ay hindi mo ako sasagutin? Nagbago baga ang isip mo? Oh I see, may kundisyon ka...sorry...mga consequences lang kay Lord ang kinatatakutan ko Wink At usually, hindi pa man ako nagtatanong kay Lord ay may sagot na siya at kaya ko naman ang mga kundisyon ni Lord, hindi ko sinusunod ang kundisyon ng mga TAO dahil sa kadahilanan na tayo'y TAO lamang Very Happy ...nasa sa iyo kung gusto mong mag ambag, basta ako, alam ko na ang gagawin ko...

Sabi ni Mar...

Tungkol duon sa minial labor pay...... Kahapon magandang araw ko at kahit ngayon at baka hanggang sa pag-uwi ko uli diyan itatapat ko na uli ng Eleksiyon. Araw namin mag-asawa kahapon, kahapon din 1st day ko, alam ko na ang starting rate ko ay $20 per Hour kaso nasorpresa ako na inalok ako ng sasakyan at bahay sabi ko sa next month na lang kapag fix sa $1,500 na ako per week, uunahin ko muna yung abogado ko, mahirap maging illegal dito di baga?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Question Confused Wink Wala akong itinatanong kung kumusta ang araw mo, kung kailan ang uwi mo, kung ano ang rate mo, wow...good for you...God is good di ba? pag ganyan ang blessing na dadating sa akin ay bigay agad ako kay Lord ng 10%!!! illegal? Question Question Confused Crying or Very sad ay naku, wala akong sinasabing ganyan, ikaw ang nagsabi nay-an...

Sabi ni Mar...

Ngayon sa BANGKA wala akong bayad dun...sa miniature mga P300 per day lang yata hindi ko tanda dahil di naman ako interesado, NGAYON May Idea Ka na? Pasensiya ka na nabangit ko pati di nasa mabangit.O hanggang dito na lang muna at hintayin ko sagot mo?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Ayan, familiar na sa akin ito, ito nga ang tanong ko, naintindihan ko na ang ibig mong sabihin ng "minial"...yun pala ay "menial"...mababang halaga.....dahil pala ang bayad sa iyo ay P300 per day...pasensya ka na at natanong ko ikaw...

Salamat. May your blessings be bountiful.

#95:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:11 pm
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Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
[b] “whether it's thin ice or crushed ice, the innuendo was based on the statement that came straight from the horse's mouth.....from our phone converstaion at sa sagot mo kay indoy:”


“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

Quote:
“i was just curiously treading on a very thin ice until i accidentally stepped on a seemingly tip of the iceberg ...”[/b]


Mine is not an innuendo. I was just stating a possibility of circumstances, sa tagalog: “KUNG ANO MAN ANG PARTISIPASYON NI BEN AT BIEN (ibig sabihin, kung meron man o wala) SA AKTUAL NA PRODUCTION NG BROCCHURE AY SA PAGITAN NA ITO NILA AT NG SEPMAR”

But yours is, when you said: “it came out later that SOME OF THE PERSONS who conceptualized the project HAVE BUSINESS RELATIONS WITH THE SOLE BIDDER. well, maybe that's another story.....

“SOME OF THE PERSONS” is very generalized. Although specific tasks were assigned during the conceptualization of the brochure, the whole Committee was somehow involved. And you are also categorically sure that “some persons” have business relations with the sole bidder? You are insinuating something that could generate malicious thoughts in the mind of the readers (if not your own).

Cheers,
Ka Noel Rolling Eyes

#96:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:31 pm
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Nasa Batangas si Kon. Bokwet at nakikipag coordinate sa tourism counterpart niya doon sa panukalang gagawing “Handicraft Caravan” sa mga susunod na buwan. He requested me to post his reply to Kon. Odette.


Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
“ If we were considered to be a separate committee that should deal with the tourism brochure, why weren't we called in a separate meeting so we could discuss and study the matters regarding this brochure thoroughly? Why should this very important topic incorporated in a general agenda and taken up before the other working committee members such as the teachers and others who don't belong to this committee?”

Kon. Odette, hindi nga hiwalay ang komitiba ng brochure at libro, paanong magkakaroon ng separate meeting? (Basahin mo ang katitikan noong March 29, 2005 na nakasaad doon na: “ … tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika 425 taon anibersaryo ng Paete, Laguna. Kung sa palagay mo ay napakahalaga ng topic na ito at dapat ay bukod na komitiba, bakit hindi ka tumutol ng magbuo ng nasabing komitiba? O baka naman ngayon lang naging napakahalaga sa yo ng topic na ito dahil may mga bumabatikos sa quality at presyo ng brochure.

Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
“If the Tourism Brochure had always been part of the agenda and related to the topics on the Foundation Book and the 425th Foundation Celebration, why were there no discussions regarding its details such as the selection of the pictures to be published, the people who would do the write-ups, the design and lay-out, etc.?”

Nakalimutan mo na ba noong unang pagpupulong at nakalagay pa sa minutes na:
“ … tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika 425 taon anibersaryo ng Paete, Laguna”. Bagamat wala pang mga larawan noon ay inaydentify na natin ang mga ilalagay na nakasaad sa attachment ng minutes (Paki tingnan ang iniscan na attachment na ipopost ni Kon. Kid Paraiso sapgagkat siya ang chairman ng mga pangangalap ng pictures)
Sa design at lay-out naman ay maliwanag sa minutes na ang mangangasiwa dito ay si Dr. Saniano at G. Afuang.

If the Tourism Brochure Committee was composed of the whole SB, how come no one among us could answer the pertinent questions during the SB Regular Session held last March 22, 2006 wherein I delivered a privilege speech concerning Mr. Tito Basa's 'Open Letter to SB'? Why would Kon. Bokwet refer this matter to the committee on Good Governance under Kon. Lilia Monfero?

Hindi mo ba natatandaan ang pakiusap ng ating taga pangulo, VM Mutok na ang pagsagot sa privilege speech ay sa susunod na pagpupulong sasagutin dahil ayaw nyang magkaroon ng mahabang pagtatalo. Tungkol naman sa pagkaka tukoy ko sa committee on Good Governance under Kon. Lilia Monfero, magiging bias ako kung ako ang magtatangol sa mga akusasyon tungkol sa brochure dahil ako ang tagapangulo ng lupon sa turismo. Marapat lamang na ang committee on Good Govenance ang duminig ng usaping ito upang magkaroon ng patas na pagdinig.

Sana'y nasagot ko ang iyong mga katanungan.

Kon. Ronald "Bokwet" Cosico

#97:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:37 pm
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Sabi ni Angel:
Quote:
I say that I do not feel any right to criticize for one reason. All I have to do is to look at how much all of you are paid and compare that to the responsibilities that you shoulder. And it is obvious - you all sacrifice a lot, a lot more than I could ever boast I could give to Paete.

To all of you who serve Paete - You have my utmost respect and admiration. You deserve no less.


Thanks for the kind words, Angel. It is like an oasis in the desert!

#98:  Author: saidaLocation: Saida Cagandahan Dulay PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:46 pm
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kanoel wrote:

And you are also categorically sure that “some persons” have business relations with the sole bidder? You are insinuating something that could generate malicious thoughts in the mind of the readers (if not your own).

Cheers,
Ka Noel Rolling Eyes




it was you who told me that Bien and Ben are subcontractors of SEPMAR [not unless you are thinking of denying it.... Wink Wink Wink ] the quality of the brochure alone as against the huge cost of production is more than enough to generate malicious thoughts with or without insinuations from anybody.

cheers too!
saida

#99:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:59 pm
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Sabi ni Odette:
Quote:
“I'm so sorry mayor for the minor inconsistencies in posting the committees. But I just hope the readers and our kababayans have taken the point that I was driving at.”


What exactly is the point that you are driving at? That you have nothing to do with the brochures now that there are critics questioning its quality and price?

Quote:
“Based on the committees that we have in the minutes that have been presented here, the majority of the SB members were never part of the brochure committee and were never really consulted and were never really aware of the details in the conceptualization and production of the said tourism brochure.”


You know that this is not true. You know that there is no “brochure committee” because there is only one committee for the brochure, the book and the actual foundation celebration. Take a second look at our first meeting on March 29, 2005. The title is very clear: “BROCHURE AT LIBRO PARA SA IKA-425 TAONG ANIBERSRYO NG PAETE”

Quote:
“I want to clear the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan from the Tourism Brochure controversy. I am doing this in good faith since I believe I owe it to my colleagues in the Sanggunian.”


Who smeared the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan that you have to clear it single handedly? Don’t you think it could have been better if you adhered to the suggestion of Kon. Bokwet to discuss this issue among yourselves under the sponsorship of the Committee on Good Governance and make a collegial stand about this issue rather than charging your colleagues of being cowardly silent?


Quote:
“In fact, I have formally brought out this matter to the attention of the SB during our March 22 regular session where I delivered my privilege speech. I gave them the copy of the "OPEN LETTER TO SB" posted by Mr. Tito Basa on February 14, 2006. I wonder why I got a very cold response from the other councilors. The questions have been left unanswered. Until now majority of them have opted to remain silent.”


If I’m not mistaken, you have internal rules about “privilege speech”. I think Vice Mayor Mutok can offer some explanation on this.

Ka Noel

#100:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:32 am
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Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
“it was you who told me that Bien and Ben are subcontractors of SEPMAR [not unless you are thinking of denying it.... ”


I said : "BAKA HINIRE SINA BEN AT BIEN NA CONSULTANT NG SEPMAR". I never categorically said I'm sure they have direct relation with SEPMAR because I do not know that. Now, when you said, “SOME PERSONS”, you are referring to Ben and Bien and not anybody else, are you?

Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
“the quality of the brochure alone as against the huge cost of production is more than enough to generate malicious thoughts with or without insinuations from anybody.”


If you will stick to the issue of the quality and cost, I think we have explained our selves quite thoroughly here. That we are bound with certain rules and regulations that we have religiously adhered to, that passed the requirements set by DOT and COA.

“it came out later that SOME OF THE PERSONS who conceptualized the project HAVE BUSINESS RELATIONS WITH THE SOLE BIDDER. well, maybe that's another story...” It is this kind of insinuation that create malice in the minds of people.

Ka Noel

#101:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:16 am
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Sabi ni Odette:
Quote:
How could I possibly suggest to our mayor things related to the said brochure when I never knew that there had been a bidding in October, 2005? I have just learned about it here in USAP PAETE and ML.”


Odette, I don’t expect you to know the bidding details because I my self is not suppose to know that. That is the law, that no elected official should be part of the bidding process, for obvious reasons. However, you need not know that there will be a bidding to make suggestions regarding the brochure. You were present in our meeting when we approved the budget of P125,000 for the brochure way before the bidding date. You know very well that you have a friend who can make it much cheaper than the budget, but it did not arouse your interest. You also know that we will surely make the brochures, and that the price is over P50,000 that required bidding, it also did not concern you a bit.

Quote:
Sabi ni Odette:
“Some of the things presented and tackled here did not really answer the questions of our kababayans, such as -
1. Who did the design and the lay-out?
2. Who did the write-up and was paid P14,500?
3. Who was/were paid P14,500 for the photography?
4. Who did the managing and editing for P29,500?
5. Who suggested and selected the pictures to be published here?

These are but simple questions that require simple answers.”


They have been answered quite repeatedly and I will repeat it again for the second time once more:
Questions 1- 4 - The minutes of meeting, when the committee was formed during the conceptualization stage of the brochure and book clearly showed the persons responsible here (Layout and Printing) was Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang.
SEPMAR was awarded the straight contract meaning they will handle everything; design; lay-out; write-up; photography; managing and editing and printing (subject to the approval of DOT); All the Moneys were paid to SEPMAR.

Whether they hired subcontractors to do the above for them is their business and not our concern.

5. Who suggested and selected the pictures to be published here?


All of us (the whole committee), in our meeting last March 29, 2005, and the minutes clearly states that: “…dito ay tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika 425 Taong Anibersryo ng Paete, Laguna. (Attachement)
TOURISM BROCHURE
Contents:
PICTURES

1. Manny Baldemor
2. Fred Baldemor
3. Luis Ac-ac
4. Kabayong Taka
5. Santa Cllaus Taka
6. Rabbit Taka
7. Ice Carving/Fruit Garnishing
8. Wood Carving Shop (Paloy)
9. Lanzones/Santol Fruits
10. Salibanda
11. Salubong
12. Kubol
13. Centurion
14. Talon
15. Tatlong Cruz
16. Wawa Park
17. Aglipay church
18. Roman Catholic Church
OTHER FEATURES:
-Map of Paete
- Brief History of Paete and Paete Today
- Economic Enterprise-Charcoal Briquette making


ARE THESE ANSWERS SIMPLE ENOUGH?

But I do understand perfectly. Extreme pressure could cause sudden lapse of memory.

Ka Noel

#102: PAKISALI PO ULI Author: LILING CAGUIN PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:53 am
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SORRY PO, KAILAN LAMANG NAKAPAGBASA. ANG TOPIC PALA AY BROCHURE. BAKIT KAYA NASABI NINYO NA NASAYANG ANG BUWIS NG TAONG BAYAN SA BROCHURE? PANGIT BA ITO SA TINGIN NILA O SA TINGIN NINYO? AYAW BA NILANG TANGGAPIN DAHIL PANGIT? ANG BIDDING NA NAIPALIWANAG NA, NA AYAW NINYONG TANGGAPIN ANG PALIWANAG. MALAKING HALAGA AT MALAKING KAMALIAN BA? ANG DURIAN AT LANZONES NA NAKA PASTE SA BROCHURE. PAPANSININ PA KAYA NG TURISTA? NAPAKADAMING KATANUNGAN NA NAPAKASIMPLENG KASAGUTAN. “MALAPIT NA NGA PALA ANG ELEKSYON”. ANG ALAM KO AY PALAGING UBOS ANG MGA BROCHURE NA IBINIBIGAY SA MGA TINDAHAN.

NOON SI KA NOEL AY NAKAUPONG MAYOR AY PALAGING BINABATIKOS ANG KANYANG PANUNUNGKULAN, KAHIT WALANG BATAYAN. NANG MATALO AY BINABATIKOS PA DIN. NASABI KO ITO, DAPAT AY PAG-USAPAN DIN NATIN ANG NAKARAAN, NA KUNG TALAGANG NAGMAMALASAKIT KAYO SA ATING BAYAN AY SUSUGIN AT ALAMIN NINYO YUNG SINASABI KONG ISANG MILYONG PISO NA IPINAUTANG SA NAKARAANG ADMINISTRASYON (EX-MAYOR EMO) NA SANAY NAPAKINABANGAN NG MGA MALILIIT NA NAMUMUHUNAN, PERO IBINILI NG GAMOT NA MALAPIT NG MAG-EXPIRED.

“MABUHAY ANG PAETE”

INSAN SOMY, MAAYOS KAMI DITO. SI KA LUDY AY NAGBAKASYON DITO NG 2 BUWAN, UMALIS NA NOONG MARCH 29. SI LOT-LOT AY DALAGA PA. KUMUSTA SA INYO DIYAN. GOD BLESS

L.A.CAUIN

#103: Re: TOURISM BROCHURE Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:14 am
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kanoel wrote:
Tito,
Here's the scanned copy of our Toursim Brochure for everyone to see.










basta, as far as i am concerned, (i am not an artist of course) even if i am just looking at a scanned material of it here, i like the brochure, i luv it!! it is very visual about everything that is Paete, past present and future, and most of all it gives very complete information, enough for any tourist (like me) to go for.

let me just tell you briefly my experiences, many times here at our community centres re the responsibility of a brochures committee. first thing of course is funds. we, all (in the committee) went out to shop around for printers, the cheapest was $2,000, this is only black and white for 500 pieces (when we talk brochure we mean the folded 3-leaf kind, in essence a brochure means a pamphlet of some kind). we wanted colored ones the cheapest was $4, 500 for 800 pieces. our budget was not more than $1,000 for a colored brochure. we talked to the printer and told him we were only prepared to spend not more than $1000. and he said, in that case, we can do the layout ourselves and just provide them with the disk (we agreed to use Publisher, that's the only program I have where i could do the layout) and they would charge us $850 for the printing, we bargained and asked for 1,000 copies instead of 800 copies. they said, maybe, we'll see! they asked for $200 downpayment. we painstakingly created the brochure on the old computer at Silayan Community Centre, the committee and the Board of Directors was pleased. we went to the printer and that's where the problem occured. some fonts i used needed to be changed because the fonts we like could not be printed or will look weird on their printed copy. some colors needed to be changed, the graphics needed to be this and that ... in short the printer had to do these necessary changes and we have to pay their own layout artist who had to do the changes. this layout artist happened to be an independent freelance one.

so, to make a long frustrating, temper-heated story short, all in all they gave us 1,000 completed brochures which was very professional, there were one or 2 minor errors but acceptable to us... but note this... the bill came to $2400 which we were not really ready for. good thing they allowed us to pay installment for it, as much as we can afford each time for 4 monthlys, only because we are a non-profit organization.

just goes to show that a big project like the Paete Tourism Brochure is not a simple project when dealing with printers, any commercial printer in the world. even if i tried to be there at the printers myself to answer questions and monitor the printing, which was time comsuming and irritating, mistakes and lapses of judgements along the way, miscommunication and whatever, is easily bound to happen, especially if there is a deadline being met. finally, we got the brochure that helped us raised the funds we needed for the Program for Abused & Battered Filipino Housewives, the brochure was productive, it did its job! although not everyone was happy about the brochure (too expensive, lots of them just ended up trampled in the streets, treated like garbage, etc.etc.), we were able to help 6 Filipinos in need, enough people from as far as Ottawa, Vancouver and Michigan, USA gave donations because of the brochures. and 6 months after, we got funding from the City of Toronto for 3 years for this program because of this effort for 6 FIlipinos who needed emergency help.

the cristicisms i read are all valid as far as i am concerned and and all we can do now is just take a lesson on every error and lapse and make sure to be better equipped and wiser the next time. for those 'truth seekers' Kon Odette is right that the 5 simple specific questions should be answered. It was answered already, unfortunately it looks like the ones who really need to give the complete answers, Afuang and Saniano, are not available, so there you are! what else is there to do?
my 2-cents,

#104: Balik tayo sa Lamppost Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:58 am
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Sabi ni Mar...


PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Yaman din lamang at ikaw ang nagbukas uli nitong tungkol sa lamppost issue...ano balik lamppost tayo? Your name rings a bell...nagtataka ako at interesado ka dito sa issue na ito? Ah, naala ala ko na...isa ka nga pala sa designers ng lamppost at wawa park! Bingo! Pwede bagang tanungin ka? Inuulit ko, ikaw ang nagbukas ng issue na ito ha...ako ay naghihintay na merong magkalakas ng loob na tulad ni Kon. Odett dito sa issue ng lamppost...

Teka muna...Prof...pwede baga dito itong issue na ito? Dito kasi nagtanong si Mar, kaya dito ko rin gustong magtanong? Wink Very Happy

Ikaw ay isa sa designers ng lamppost...ilang molde ng lamppost ang ginawa nyo dito? Isa, dalawa, tatlo, o LAHAT ng lamppost ay may kanya kanyang molde? Saan naka imbak ang mga ito? Wink Paparazzi kasi ako, gusto kong kunan ng picture pag uwi ko sa Paete. Question Confused Laughing

Mura ang lamppost kung isa o dalawang molde lamang ang ginamit. Para ka namang bago ng bago sa mga taga Paete...lalabas lang ang mga nagsasabi sa akin o nag tsi tsismis sa akin, kung sila ay TAPAT NA LINGKOD NG BAYAN AT HINDI NAKINABANG Laughing pero kung nakinabang sila Wink ...palagay ko hindi lalabas, ubos na ang napakinabangan...anong kanilang gagawin kung pagbayarin sila?

Saang bayan? SECRET!

Magkano talaga? Ay bakit baga init na init ka kung magkano?

Pareho baga ng quality noong nasa atin? Abangan...Itutuloy...sundan ang susunod...


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#105:  Author: kanoelLocation: Mayor Emmanuel Cadayona PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:15 am
    —
Sabi ni Tlee:
Quote:
“basta, as far as i am concerned, (i am not an artist of course) even if i am just looking at a scanned material of it here, i like the brochure, i luv it!! it is very visual about everything that is Paete, past present and future, and most of all it gives very complete information, enough for any tourist (like me) to go for.”


Wow, Tlee, you are the first brave soul to say that you luv the brochure. To some though, it is disgusting (to the point of insinuating anomalies). But you are right, no matter how“pangit” it is to some of the critics; it did serve the purpose of attracting tour operators and tourists to visit us.

Talaga bang ganyan kamahal magpagawa ng brochure sa Canada?
C$ 2,400 for 1,000 pcs? Let me get my calculator. C$2, 400/1000 pcs = C$2.40/pc. X 43 = P103.20/pc
In our case 5,000pcs X P103.20 = P516,000!
Tlee, with that amount you will be crucified by our brochure critics (LOL!)

Thanks for your 2-cents. They are worth 1-million to me!

Regards,
Ka Noel

#106:  Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:52 am
    —
Kid Paraiso wrote:

Bilang nabanggit po ang aking pangalan sa usaping ito tungkol sa "Tourism Brochure".

Oo nga po Konsehal nabanggit nga po ang pangalan ninyo dahil nagtataka po ako dahil yun pong picture ng Sta. Veronica na pag-aari ng inyong pamilya ay namali ang lagay ng caption, nun pong iharap sa inyo sa pagpupulong yung PROOF ng brochure kung saan nakita ng mga konsehal na mali-mali ang spelling ng mga pangalan at ito’y naitama, hindi po baga niya nakita yung picture ng Salubong na may pagkakamali din sa caption?
Kid Paraiso wrote:

P.S.- Kung tapos na po ang lay-outing ng mga pictures/larawan, partikular po doon sa mga lumang larawan na hiniram ko sa Simbahan at sa mga ibat-ibang tao ay magalang ko pong hinihiling na maibalik sa akin at aking pong isasauli sa mga kinaukulan.
Salamat PO.

Bilang miyembro ng Parochial Heritage and Historical Commission ng Simbahan, kami po ay nagkakalap pa rin ng mga lumang larawan, may mga pribadong samahan pa po sa Maynila na gusto ay bayaran pa namin ang mga kopya ng mga larawang ito upang mailagay sa aming planong library/archive sa kumbento, kaya kung sino man po ang naghahawak ng mga ito, kung maari po ay pakibalik na kay Konsehal at ng maibalik din naman sa mga kinauukulan. Salamat po.

P.S. Regards to Mami Smile
Happy Easter to all.


PS:
LILING CAGUIN wrote:

SORRY PO, KAILAN LAMANG NAKAPAGBASA. ANG TOPIC PALA AY BROCHURE.


Opo Amang Liling, Paete Tourism Brochure po ang topic ng thread na ito mula pa noong March 21. Paala-ala lang po sa iba pang nagbabasa, hindi rin po ito thread ng Lampost! Cool

#107: Salubong... Author: GloLocation: Gloria Basa Caguin PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:58 am
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Indoy, bai ay hindi naman sinasabi sa caption na yun mismo
ang picture ah...

"FOREIGN AND LOCAL TOURISTS COME TO PAETE
TO WATCH COLORFUL RITES

...At "Salubong" the Passion of Christ is depicted in a scene
where Mother Mary meets her Son on His way to the cross."


it did not say that the picture shows that scene...
that Mother Mary meets...
we know that the picture on the brochure
is really a part of the "Salubong" in Paete during Holy Week.

Please do not be picky on people about topics and threads,
only the Moderators here in Usap has the right to tell
them what to do and NOT to do...

Thank you... bai ay Holy Week na next week, sana naman
ay magpakabait na din kayo ABBA magsisi na ng mga sin! Twisted Evil heheheheh

#108: Re: Salubong... Author: y@m@kLocation: Mark Anthony Rivera Cadawas PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:14 pm
    —
glow wrote:
Indoy, bai ay hindi naman sinasabi sa caption na yun mismo
ang picture ah...


Baih Tita Glow, halos lahat po kasi ng picture sa brochure eh sinasabi kung ano yung nakalagay na pic duon. Okay no-contest kasi balita ko gigil na kau sa akin hehehe napaka-ulit ko kasi aba! With respect to you & all the people of Paete, I apologize. Dont worry this will be my last...Cool

glow wrote:
Thank you... bai ay Holy Week na next week, sana naman
ay magpakabait na din kayo ABBA magsisi na ng mga sin! Twisted Evil heheheheh


Tita Glow: MAY TAMA KA DIN; Pasok ka din sa Finals Very Happy Happy Easter!!!

Rgds,
Indoy

#109: PRINTING OF BOOK & TOURISM BROCHURE Author: odettesLocation: Odette Fadul Sunga PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:28 pm
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On the Invitation to Bid that was posted in the Munisipyo from Oct. 14-23, 2005, here are the details:

Name of Project : Printing of Book and Tourism Brochure
Location : Paete, Laguna
Brief Description : Books and Brochures
Approved Budget
For the Contract : Php385,000.00

SEPMAR [the lone bidder] successfully complied with all the requirements and so the contract was awarded to them.

On the 2 Sales Invoices dated Nov. 7, 2005, SEPMAR billed The Municipal Government of Paete, Laguna for the ff:

A. Sales Invoice #0223
5000 pcs. Tourism Brochure
Managing/Editing Php 30,000.00
Contributing Writers 15,000.00
Photography 15,000.00
Layout 15,000.00
Printing [10 pesos ea] 50,000.00
---------------------------
Php 125,000.00

B. Sales Invoice #0224
1000 pcs 425th Foundation Books
Managing/Editing Php 100,000.00
Contributing Writers 50,000.00
Photography 60,000.00
Layout 50,000.00
----------------------------
Php 260,000.00

On Nov 11, 2005, SEPMAR issued 2 Official Receipts to the Municipal Treasurer of Paete Laguna:
OR#0183 Php 117,120.00 as payment for 5000 of Tourism Brochures
OR#0182 Php 245,760.00 as payment for 1000 pcs 425th Foundation Books


Saida wrote:
From what I gathered, after the bid was awarded to SEPMAR [for a grand total of Php385,000.00] SEPMAR hired the services of Mr. Ben Afuang and Mr. Bien Saniano as SUBCONTRACTORS to work on the brochures and Paete books. They did the managing/editing, scriptwriting [supplied the write-ups/articles/captions], photography [supplied the pictures], lay-outing. SEPMAR did the printing of the brochures [the bill for Paete books did not include the cost of printing....hindi pa napi-print as of this writing]

Since the contract with SEPMAR Enterprises covers both the Tourism Brochure and the Foundation Book, I would like to inquire about some information regarding the Foundation Book.

Being one of the writers of the articles for that historical book, I am more than excited to see the product of our labor last year. Some sponsors have also been asking when they could see and get hold of this Foundation Book.

The project which has been awarded to the lone bidder, SEPMAR Enterprises, includes the printing of the Foundation Book based on the name of the project.

SEPMAR was paid on November 11, 2005 an amount of P245,760 for the four stages (managing/editing, contributing writers,photography and lay-out)

How come the printing stage has been left out and did not cover the payment? Would there be a follow-up payment for this? Would SEPMAR be responsible for the printing also.

Sometime in December, 2005, I was able to contact Mang Ben Afuang regarding the release of the Foundation Book. He said there had been a delay in the publication because the official lay-out artist of UST Press was on-leave. The new lay-out artist could not finish it immediately. How does UST Press come into the picture?

That was a month after SEPMAR had been paid for the lay-out worth P50,000. It has been 5 months since November, 2005 and yet there is still no sign of the release of the much-awaited Foundation Book.

When shall we see and get hold of this book?

#110:  Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:55 pm
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Konsehal Sunga:

Since this thread has become quite long, you may have missed a posting made by Konsehal Cosico:

Konsehal Cosico wrote:

Magandang araw po propesor. Salamat po sa inyong pagbibigay pansin sa aking pahayag.
Eto po ang aking mga kasagutan sa inyong mga katanungan:

(1) “How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?”

Noon pong pinag-uusapan pa lamang ang konsepto ng proyektong ito, ay ang napagtibay na budget para sa libro ay 650,000 kasama na ang printing. Sa aming pakikipag-ugnayan kay G.Frank Rivera ay napag-alaman namin na pwedeng sa UST ipa imprenta ang libro na walang paunang bayad kundi bibilhin namin ang mga librong inimprenta sa halagang mapagkakasunduan. Ang naging desisyon ay sa UST na lamang ipaimprenta sapagka’t ang ibabayad sa UST ay mababawi din sa maibebentang libro sa mga tulad ng Ayala Foundation, San Mig Corp, PAGCOR, NCCA, atbp.

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

Ang kadagdagang pondo po ay nagmula sa 20% development fund na nakalaan sa Turismo.

Sana po ay nakapagbigay ng kaliwanagan ang aking kasagutan sa iyong katanungan.

Kumusta na po kayo?

Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico


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#111:  Author: adediosLocation: Angel C. de Dios PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:56 pm
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Dear Forum participants:

The vice mayor of Paete has written me a note and it was shared in the mailing list. In that note, he expressed his wish and his opinion that in matters that involve both a controversial issue and personnel matters, a proper forum is required. He believes that a forum becomes proper and productive when all personalities involved could be present as much as possible. The vice mayor's view is that an online discussion such as this can lead to misunderstanding and sometimes misrepresentation. This issue is on the table of the Sangguniang Bayan and I have confidence that it will be addressed as best as possible. It is only right that these issues be given an opportunity to be given light in a proper forum.

I am not locking this thread at this point but I do hope that you would join me in providing the Sangguniang Bayan an opportunity to address this issue along the lines of their procedure and format. It is my way of showing respect to the legal institutions Paete's elected officials represent. Thank you very much, in advance for your understanding.

-Angel

#112: Re: Balik tayo sa Lamppost Author: Mar Dalagan PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:59 pm
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dadaludy wrote:
Sabi ni Mar...


PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Yaman din lamang at ikaw ang nagbukas uli nitong tungkol sa lamppost issue...ano balik lamppost tayo? Your name rings a bell...nagtataka ako at interesado ka dito sa issue na ito? Ah, naala ala ko na...isa ka nga pala sa designers ng lamppost at wawa park! Bingo! Pwede bagang tanungin ka? Inuulit ko, ikaw ang nagbukas ng issue na ito ha...ako ay naghihintay na merong magkalakas ng loob na tulad ni Kon. Odett dito sa issue ng lamppost...

Teka muna...Prof...pwede baga dito itong issue na ito? Dito kasi nagtanong si Mar, kaya dito ko rin gustong magtanong? Wink Very Happy

Ikaw ay isa sa designers ng lamppost...ilang molde ng lamppost ang ginawa nyo dito? Isa, dalawa, tatlo, o LAHAT ng lamppost ay may kanya kanyang molde? Saan naka imbak ang mga ito? Wink Paparazzi kasi ako, gusto kong kunan ng picture pag uwi ko sa Paete. Question Confused Laughing

Mura ang lamppost kung isa o dalawang molde lamang ang ginamit. Para ka namang bago ng bago sa mga taga Paete...lalabas lang ang mga nagsasabi sa akin o nag tsi tsismis sa akin, kung sila ay TAPAT NA LINGKOD NG BAYAN AT HINDI NAKINABANG Laughing pero kung nakinabang sila Wink ...palagay ko hindi lalabas, ubos na ang napakinabangan...anong kanilang gagawin kung pagbayarin sila?

Saang bayan? SECRET!

Magkano talaga? Ay bakit baga init na init ka kung magkano?

Pareho baga ng quality noong nasa atin? Abangan...Itutuloy...sundan ang susunod...



Bai, hindi mo na sinagot yung tanong ko ng maayos, nagtanong ka pa. Sinasabi ko naman sa iyo na sana idineretso mo sa e-mail ko yung tanong mo lalo na itong bago mong tanong ngayon.... baka lalo kang magtampo sa akin dahil mapapahiya ka na naman. Okay kaya ko ibinalik sa lampost dahil may gusto akong i point out sa iyo kaso iba ang interpretasyon mo. Ang Ponto ko ay puro mali-maling impormasyon ang nasasagap mo o inililigaw ka ng nagbibigay sa iyo ng mga impormasyon mo.
Buti at itinanong mo ang mga ito na nagpapatunay na nauuto ka talaga (pasensiya kan sa wording ko ha tutal tampo o masama na loob mo sa akin). Karangalan ko kung ako nga pero...HINDI AKO ISA SA MGA DESIGNER NG LAMPOST AT WAWA PARK........HOYYYYY Gisisng (sabagay mahirap gisingin ang nagtutulog-tulogan). Maaring nakapagbigay ako ng suhestion sa mga ito, ngayon kung ikinokonsidera mo o ng nag-ulok sa iyo na ang suhestion ay designer na...ay bahala na kayo. Kilala ko ang nagdesign ng lampost at ang gumagawa nito pero hindi ko sasabihin Rolling Eyes (yan nagaya na ko kay saida mahilig sa wink, joke only) Dahil hindi ko ugaling mangaladkad ng mga pangalang ng tao. AT kilala ko rin ang designer ng WAWA PARK siya ay "arkitekto' na nasa ibang bansa na at kung tama ang pagka-alala ko ay P1,000 lang bayad sa kanya........pero hindi ko rin sasabihin...... "So" batukan mo yung nag-udyok sa iyo.....Lalong hindi ko alam kung ilan ang molde. Mura kung iisa ang molde????....matagal na ako taga Paete kaya alam ko na hindi pwedeng i-isa ang molde kalimitan ito ay dalawa siguro kung molde ng takang kabayo...pero sa idea ko ang lamppost ay talagang madami, dahil meron sa salakot sa base ng poste at iba-iba pang parte nito..hindi mo pwedeng imolde ng nag-iisa yun...kita mo kung gaano ka ta.....nga ng mga taga-ulok mo.

May tanong kapa tungkol sa MOLDE ng lampost kung inasaan ang mga ito..... Sorry di ko alam.....kukunan mo pa ng litrato....ay naku may problema ka nang malaki pati si Konsehal Odett ay kakaladkarin mo pa.... talagang "falt finder" ka na magpapahamak ka pa ng tao, hindi ka paparazzi dahil ang mga kinukunan nila ng impormasyon ay accurate kaya alam nila kung nasaan ang kukunan nila...sabagay inamin mo na nagtsitsismis lang sa iyo at tapat na lingkod bayan kamo o inuuto ka? Kung tapat sila hindi ka hahayaan mapahiya dito sa ML. PASENSIYA KA NA PERO TALAGANG OUT OF BOUND KA NA lalo na yung tagabulong mo. Matagal ka bagang wala sa Pinas kaya hindi mo alam ang likaw ng mga bituka ng mga ilang kababayan natin na walang hinangad kundi manggulo lang. Maliban na lang kung talagang kayo na ang naggugulo. Kita namang may motibo kayo sa mga ipinagtatanong ninyo. Kaya palagay ko dapat sa inyo ay huwag nag pansinin.
Sige at papasok na ako sa silid ko, ila-lock ko dahil magdadasal na ako, hindi ko karaniwang ipinagsasabi ito pero mas epektibo yata yun kaysa ipagsigawan ko tama nga yata si pilipinoy. Huwag kang mag-alala kasama ka sa panalangin ko naway maliwanagan ka.

Pasensiya na pero naawa ako sa iyo. Magpalit ka ng researcher mo.

Mar

#113: Re: Balik tayo sa Lamppost Author: Guest PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:32 pm
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Nakakatuwa ka talaga Barok...... ikaw ba ay komedyante? mapa-tagalog o mapa-english tipong German ka pa rin!!! Nakakahiya nga SILA hahahahahahahaha......ganun ba? Tama magdasal ka na lang hahahahahaha.




Bai, hindi mo na sinagot yung tanong ko ng maayos, nagtanong ka pa. Sinasabi ko naman sa iyo na sana idineretso mo sa e-mail ko yung tanong mo lalo na itong bago mong tanong ngayon.... baka lalo kang magtampo sa akin dahil mapapahiya ka na naman. Okay kaya ko ibinalik sa lampost dahil may gusto akong i point out sa iyo kaso iba ang interpretasyon mo. Ang Ponto ko ay puro mali-maling impormasyon ang nasasagap mo o inililigaw ka ng nagbibigay sa iyo ng mga impormasyon mo.
Buti at itinanong mo ang mga ito na nagpapatunay na nauuto ka talaga (pasensiya kan sa wording ko ha tutal tampo o masama na loob mo sa akin). Karangalan ko kung ako nga pero...HINDI AKO ISA SA MGA DESIGNER NG LAMPOST AT WAWA PARK........HOYYYYY Gisisng (sabagay mahirap gisingin ang nagtutulog-tulogan). Maaring nakapagbigay ako ng suhestion sa mga ito, ngayon kung ikinokonsidera mo o ng nag-ulok sa iyo na ang suhestion ay designer na...ay bahala na kayo. Kilala ko ang nagdesign ng lampost at ang gumagawa nito pero hindi ko sasabihin Rolling Eyes (yan nagaya na ko kay saida mahilig sa wink, joke only) Dahil hindi ko ugaling mangaladkad ng mga pangalang ng tao. AT kilala ko rin ang designer ng WAWA PARK siya ay "arkitekto' na nasa ibang bansa na at kung tama ang pagka-alala ko ay P1,000 lang bayad sa kanya........pero hindi ko rin sasabihin...... "So" batukan mo yung nag-udyok sa iyo.....Lalong hindi ko alam kung ilan ang molde. Mura kung iisa ang molde????....matagal na ako taga Paete kaya alam ko na hindi pwedeng i-isa ang molde kalimitan ito ay dalawa siguro kung molde ng takang kabayo...pero sa idea ko ang lamppost ay talagang madami, dahil meron sa salakot sa base ng poste at iba-iba pang parte nito..hindi mo pwedeng imolde ng nag-iisa yun...kita mo kung gaano ka ta.....nga ng mga taga-ulok mo.

May tanong kapa tungkol sa MOLDE ng lampost kung inasaan ang mga ito..... Sorry di ko alam.....kukunan mo pa ng litrato....ay naku may problema ka nang malaki pati si Konsehal Odett ay kakaladkarin mo pa.... talagang "falt finder" ka na magpapahamak ka pa ng tao, hindi ka paparazzi dahil ang mga kinukunan nila ng impormasyon ay accurate kaya alam nila kung nasaan ang kukunan nila...sabagay inamin mo na nagtsitsismis lang sa iyo at tapat na lingkod bayan kamo o inuuto ka? Kung tapat sila hindi ka hahayaan mapahiya dito sa ML. PASENSIYA KA NA PERO TALAGANG OUT OF BOUND KA NA lalo na yung tagabulong mo. Matagal ka bagang wala sa Pinas kaya hindi mo alam ang likaw ng mga bituka ng mga ilang kababayan natin na walang hinangad kundi manggulo lang. Maliban na lang kung talagang kayo na ang naggugulo. Kita namang may motibo kayo sa mga ipinagtatanong ninyo. Kaya palagay ko dapat sa inyo ay huwag nag pansinin.
Sige at papasok na ako sa silid ko, ila-lock ko dahil magdadasal na ako, hindi ko karaniwang ipinagsasabi ito pero mas epektibo yata yun kaysa ipagsigawan ko tama nga yata si pilipinoy. Huwag kang mag-alala kasama ka sa panalangin ko naway maliwanagan ka.

Pasensiya na pero naawa ako sa iyo. Magpalit ka ng researcher mo.

Mar[/quote]

#114: Re: Balik tayo sa Lamppost Author: LudyLocation: Lourdes Valdecantos PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:33 pm
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Sabi ni Mar...

Sige at papasok na ako sa silid ko, ila-lock ko dahil magdadasal na ako, hindi ko karaniwang ipinagsasabi ito pero mas epektibo yata yun kaysa ipagsigawan ko tama nga yata si pilipinoy. Huwag kang mag-alala kasama ka sa panalangin ko naway maliwanagan ka.

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Idea Arrow Arrow Arrow Arrow DO NOT DISTURB

Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool QUIET PLEASE...PLEASE USE THE OTHER DOOR, PLEASE PADLOCK THE DOOR ON THE OUTSIDE... Wink JOKE

#115: Re: Balik tayo sa Lamppost Author: juvardLocation: Maryland PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:44 pm
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Mar Dalagan wrote:

AT kilala ko rin ang designer ng WAWA PARK siya ay "arkitekto' na nasa ibang bansa na at kung tama ang pagka-alala ko ay P1,000 lang bayad sa kanya........pero hindi ko rin sasabihin......


Mar, may request sana ako sa yo kung pwede pangalanan mo yung arkitektong sinasabi mo baka kase isipin nung nakakikilala sa akin ay ako yun eh ayokong masangkot dito, although hindi lang naman ako ang arkitektong nasa ibang bansa na eh mabuti na rin yung maliwanag, kung pwede lang naman.

Thanks,
Juvard

#116: Re: Balik tayo sa Lamppost, PANAWAGAN Author: Mar Dalagan PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:38 pm
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juvard wrote:
Mar Dalagan wrote:

AT kilala ko rin ang designer ng WAWA PARK siya ay "arkitekto' na nasa ibang bansa na at kung tama ang pagka-alala ko ay P1,000 lang bayad sa kanya........pero hindi ko rin sasabihin......


Mar, may request sana ako sa yo kung pwede pangalanan mo yung arkitektong sinasabi mo baka kase isipin nung nakakikilala sa akin ay ako yun eh ayokong masangkot dito, although hindi lang naman ako ang arkitektong nasa ibang bansa na eh mabuti na rin yung maliwanag, kung pwede lang naman.

Thanks,
Juvard


Jubard pasensiya ka na, pati ikaw ay nabulabog.....Ako na po ang magsasabi na hindi si Architect Clementa "Jubard" Casilag ang binabanggit ko, pasensiya na rin "Jubard", huwag na rin nating bangitin, siguro ay sapatna ito ako na ang gumagarintiya na hindi dito sa US nagpunta ang binangit kong arkitekto.

Panawagan po sa mga sumusubaybay ng mga usapin dito, Kanina po talaga ay Balak kong magpaalam at tigilan na ito, dahil magiging abala na ako sa trabaho ko at alam ko naman nagkukulitan lang naman tayo at wala ding patutunguhan ang usaping ito.

Ang nai-post ko ay raaksiyon lamang at para akong batang pumatol sa isang bata. Ang pagkakamali ay sa akin.

Muli po ang aking paumanhin, sanay ipag-PATAWAD NINYO.

Nakakahiya man kay kinakapatid na Rey Carolino isa pa ako sa maraming nakabastos sa Web na pinasimulan niya. Sa mga kapatid ko nahihiya na rin ako dahil mga kaibigan nila ang karamihan sa mga ito.
Magpapaalam na po muna ako at pangako sa muli ay produktibo na lang ang aking ipo-post.

Kay Indoy pasensiya na rin, alalahanin mo na lang ang kanta ng "Apo Hiking Society" na Batang-Bata ka pa......at marami......


Mar

#117:  Author: mutukLocation: Vice mayor Rojilyn Bagabaldo PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:37 am
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Para sa lahat ng mga kinauukulan,

Ang naging kaugnayan po namin (SB) dun sa naunang tourism brochure ay dahil halos buong miyembro ng SB ay naging miyembro ng working committee na nag plano ng pagdiriwang ng ika 425th year Founding Anniversary ng Paete noong nakaraang taon. Nagkataon lang po na isinabay na yung sa Tourism Brochure sa Foundation book para maka menos sa gastos dahil planong i-ride sana sa magiging solicitations kaso ay dumating nga po yung grant para sa tourism brochure na 200 thousand pesos galing sa DOT.

Tulad po ng una ko ring sinabi. Wala din pong kinalaman ang SB sa mga ginagawang bidding para sa anumang proyektong pambayan. Ni isa pong Konsehal ay hindi miyembro ng BAC or Bids and Awards Committee.

Paglilinaw lang po!


Ito na po ang una at huli kong posting para sa thread na ito at malamang sa sinumang miyembro ng Sangguniang Bayan ng Paete.

Katatapos lang po ng aming (SB) isang Di Karaniwang Pulong kung saan napag-usapan din ang tungkol dito sa issue ng tourism brochure. Napagkaisahan po ng mga dumalong mga Konsehal sa pakiusap na rin ni Kon. Valdellon na wala na munang miyembro ng SB ang hahayaang magparticipate sa diskusyon o magpost dito sa usap ukol sa issue ng tourism brochure upang maiwasan ang di pagkakaunawaan sa pagitan ng mga miyembro ng Sangguniang Bayan.

Napagkaisahan din na magkaroon ng isang adhoc committee na pangungunahan ni Kon. Regen San Juan kasama sina Kon Ronaldo Valdellon at SKFP Anna Pamela de la Rosa upang siyang mag aral at magbigay linaw sa mga naging katanungan ukol sa usaping tourism brochure

Maraming salamat po sa inyong pang unawa!

Lubos na gumagalang,
Vice Mayor R. Q. Bagabaldo



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