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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KAPASIYAHAN BLG.02 T.2011

KAPASIYAHANG PAGTIBAYIN NA HILINGIN SA KGG. SANGGUNIANG BAYAN NA KATIGAN ANG PANUKALANG SANITARY LANDFILL, MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITIES AT WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES (CONSTRUCTED WETLAND) NA GAGAWIN SA SITIO STA. ANA AT SA WAWA.

SAPAGKAT, ang Kapasiyahan Blg. 01 T. 2011 na isinumite ng Lupon ay kasalukuyang hindi pa kinakatigan ng Sangguniang Bayan;

SAPAGKAT, wala ng problema sa paggamit ng lupang kaloob ni G. Cornelio Africano sa Sitio Sta. Ana ayon sa personal na pakikipag-usap ng ilang miyembro ng Sangguniang Bayan kay G. Africano sangayon na rin sa ginawang pahayag ni Kon. Emerito Gajitos sa pulong ng Lupon na ginanap noong Agosto 17, 2011.

SAPAGKAT, nagmungkahi din si KAPT. CELESTINO BALDEMOR, na ang mga kasapi ng Sangguinang Bayan na magpapatibay sa mga nabanggit na proyektgo ay marapat lamang na magbigay ng TIBAY: Agosto 17, 2011

PINATUTUNAYAN ko ang kawastuhan ng nasasaad sa resolusyong ito ay pinagtibay ng Municipal Solid Waste Management Board.

nakasulat na dahilan sa resolusyon ng pagkatig kung bakit siya sang-ayon o hindi sang-ayon at kung hindi sangayon ay magbigay ng alternatibong sulusyon.

SAPAGKAT, sa kagalingan at pangangailangan ng ating bayan ukol sa tamang pangangalaga ng basura ay dapat maisagawa ang mga bagay na ito sa takdang panahong hinihingi ng LLDA

KUNG KAYA DAHIL DITO, sa mungkahi ni G. ARCANGEL TOLENTINO, na kinatigan ng lahat ng kasapi ng MSWMB, ay hinihiling sa Kgg. Sangguniang Bayan na katigan ang panukalang Sanitary Landfill, Material Recovery Facilities at Waste Water Treatment Facilities (Constructed Wetland) na gagawin sa Sitio Sta. Ana at sa Wawa.

IPINASIYA: na pagtibayin na hilingin sa Kgg. Sangguniang Bayan na katigan ang panukalang Sanitary Landfill, Material Recovery Facilities at Waste Water Treatment Facilities (Constructed Wetland) na gagawin sa Sitio Sta. Ana at sa Wawa, at hilingin din sa mga kasapi ng Sangguinang Bayn na magpapatibay sa mga nabanggit na proyektgo na magbigay ng nakasulat na dahilan sa resolusyon ng pagkatig kung bakit siya sang-ayon o hindi sang-ayon at kung hindi sangayon ay magbigay ng alternatibong sulusyon.

INIAATAS : na padalhan ng sipi ang lahat ng kinauukulan.

PINAGTIBAY: Agosto 17, 2011

PINATUTUNAYAN ko ang kawastuhan ng nasasaad sa resolusyong ito ay pinagtibay ng Municipal
Solid Waste Management Board.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Untreated sewage threatens lake – study
By MARVYN N. BENANING
August 18, 2011, 4:09pm
MANILA, Philippines —
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/.....lake-study

Male carps that consume untreated sewage and urine dumped into Laguna de Bay have developed sexual abnormalities, getting lesions in the testis and acquiring an egg yolk protein precursor called vittelogenin found only in female fish.

This was the findings of the study conducted by Dr. Michelle Grace V. Paraso, associate professor at the College of Veterinary Medicine of the University of the Philippines at Los Baños (UPLB-CVM), who confirmed the high levels of estrogenic endocrine-disrupting compound in country's biggest lake that poses a threat to fish health.

Paraso said contaminated water and other pollutants will continue to cause reproductive abnormalities in male common carp, threatening the fish population unless authorities act swiftly on the matter.

Paraso said the 94,900-hectare lake is the country's biggest and supports more than 13.6 million people, with nearly two million of them without access to proper sewage systems, particularly septic tanks.

The impact of pollution on male carps should also be considered by government since Laguna de Bay is fast becoming a viable source of domestic water supply for the National Capital Region, with a water concessionaire drawing water from the lake, which has become too shallow at an average depth of 2.5 meters, according to a study undertaken by a Belgian company planning to undertake the P18.7-billion Laguna Lake Rehabilitation Project (LLRP).

Paraso called for stricter pollution control at the lake. "Environmental laws, particularly those that focus on proper waste management, as well as basic sewage treatment systems need to be strictly enforced,” she said.

Paraso stressed in a recent seminar held at the Southeast Asian Regional Center for Graduate Study and Research in Agriculture (SEARCA) in Los Baños, Laguna that the continuing degradation of the water quality at the lake will threaten not only male carp but also other fish species.

The seminar, entitled “Estrogenic Contamination of Laguna de Bay and Its Potential Impact on Fish Health,” was funded by SEARCA.

Paraso said estrogenic disruption in male carp (Cyprinus carpio Linnaeus) in the east and west sites of Laguna de Bay was discovered after an analysis of samples gathered from 16 sites in the lake.

Results showed the presence of a natural estrogen called 17-beta estradiol (E2). “Alarmingly, the levels of E2 found in Laguna de Bay were much higher than those in surface waters in other Asian countries,” said Paraso.

These bio-pollutants are correlated to the hormone excretions found in animal and human feces and urine carried as surface runoff into the lake.

Paraso’s research called for raising male common carp in fish cages along the bay and were later examined and compared with a reference group raised at the UPLB Limnological Research Station.

Signs of estrogen exposure in the caged fish were evident in the changes in their sexual characteristics.

These changes include reproductive abnormalities like the maturation of germ cells, development of lesions in the testis, and presence of an egg yolk protein precursor called vitellogenin, usually found only in female fish.

The study also found that the size and frequency of hepatic melanomacrophage aggregates, which are biomarkers of pollution in aquatic ecosystems, also increased.

While the study confirmed estrogenic pollution in the lake and effects of exposure in male carps, Paraso nonetheless said "it is too early to establish that the bio-pollutants adversely affect the overall fish population or raise any concern regarding fish consumption."

Paraso obtained her doctorate in Environmental Science from UPLB in April 2011 under the SEARCA Graduate Scholarship, one of the center's capacity-building interventions to address the agricultural and rural development needs of countries in Southeast Asia.

Note: One of the sources of fish in this study is Paete.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:20 am    Post subject: MRF and SLF Reply with quote

Bakit sinabing confirmed ng LLDA at wB na may social acceptance na ang project ay walang ginawang multi sectoral public consultation pagkaty maraming walang kaalaman sa binabalak na ito. MAGPAKITA NG KATUNAYAN MERON NITO AT I POST DITO. PARA SA KABATIRAN NG LAHAT . Maraming salamat.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first meeting in 2008 that discussed the constructed wetlands with UPLB were attended by various stakeholders. Then, in May 2009, there was a consultative presentation made by LLDA and the World Bank. Here, you will see who were in attendance and you will see clearly that there were significant efforts to hear the voices from various sectors of the Paete community.

The meetings of the Municipal Solid Waste Management Board are likewise multisectoral - these are attended by various NGOs, teachers and members of religious groups. Yes, there are people who were not in attendance, but attendance, I guess, is not compulsory.

The three public hearings confirmed what the consultative study facilitated by the WB and LLDA found. The three public hearings did not provide anything different from what the WB and LLDA have found previously: that the two subprojects, SLF/MRF and WWTY, are both acceptable. All objections that were raised in public were answered.

Unfortunately, there are still posts here in Usap that are anonymous that seem to ignore what is happening officially in public. But objections here in Usap have likewise been addressed.

The next step rests on the shoulder of the Sangguniang Bayan. Questions have been addressed and answered, and for the benefit of Paete, a decision needs to be made. I think, at this point, those who are against the projects will remain against and those who had open minds have already received adequate information to make a knowledgeable decision.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: tikiw Reply with quote

About tikiw:

TIKIW or "GIANT BULRUSH"
SCIENTIFIC NAME: Actinoscirpus Grossus/Schirpus Californicus
--A large, erect, and aquatic or marshy herb plant it has a triangular stem that measure about 2 meters(or more) high.
It is mostly found in Central Luzon to Mindanao or in most island or provincies, abounding in fresh water swaps, and in newly opened ricefield at low altitude.

I do remember long time ago when tikiw and kalabanga ang naghahari sa laot..nakatutulong ito nang malaki sa mga ilang kababayan para pagkakitaan...kalabanga para miryenda
at pinatuyong tikiw na hinahango nang taga-ibang bayan para gawing bag, sambalilo, sinturon at tsinelas.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dredge Laguna Lake, says solon
By MARVYN N. BENANING
August 28, 2011, 5:35pm
MANILA, Philippines --

Laguna de Bay can be a viable source of potable water for Metro Manila, but only if it is deepened enough through dredging, a legislator said over the weekend.

Speaking at the “Kapihan sa Quezon City” media forum at Anabel’s Restaurant last Saturday, Quezon 3rd District Representative Danilo Suarez said that while the 94,900-hectare lake is already supplying water for the southern section of the metropolis, it still has to be deepened to increase its water holding capacity.

“The National Capital Region cannot rely solely on Angat Dam in the long haul,” Suarez said, stressing that the expanding population of Metro Manila would compel government to seek other sources.

Suarez also expressed surprise at the claim of some Aquino officials who claimed that up to P1-billion had been paid to top officials of the previous administration to make sure that the P18.7-billion Laguna Lake Rehabilitation Project (LLRP) is implemented.

With the scrapping of the plan to develop Laiban Dam, both Maynilad and Manila Water would most likely depend on Laguna de Bay as source, considering that there would be a water shortage in the next three years.

Manila Water and Maynilad opposed the construction of the Laiban Dam by saying reducing systems losses would do the trick in covering up the water deficit.

The Arroyo administration originally thought of dredging Laguna de Bay to raise its water holding capacity and establish wetlands around the lake to act as a sieve for pollutants that would otherwise end up in the lake.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ponzi scheme is alive and well in PI. If 1B pesos is given to the LLDA/LLDP or to any top official in Arroyo's admin, did it come from WB? It makes you think, where as our 4th class town has to borrow money to get the cleaning of the lake program goin. The most likely scenario is these, the big boys got the money and we got the crumbs and our local government will have to pay for it. All the hardwork of our local govt. is rewarded by loan because they are still honest and has conscience, where as..........
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify (This is the official statement from the Aquino administration regarding the LLRP and it does not include a claim that 1 billion PhP has already been stolen):

"Cancellation of the Laguna Lake Rehabilitation Project . On 17 June 2011, the President cancelled the P18.5 billion Laguna Lake Rehabilitation Project (LLRP) due to inconsistencies between the project components and its intended objectives; and the lack of transparency in the review and approval of the project. A DENR study found out that due to heavy deforestation and erosion, the areas to be dredged would end up being silted again in three (3) years without massive rehabilitation of the watersheds. The DENR further noted that the approval of the supply contract was done without any thorough review. In addition, the Project’s Economic Internal Rate of Return (EIRR) of 7.04%, which considers only the project’s quantified economic benefits, does not meet the 15% minimum hurdle rate or the minimum acceptable rate of return. In the end, despite the laudable objectives, the questionable project components of the LLRP justified its cancellation."

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The proposed subprojects in Paete, Laguna are separate from the above. The grant and loan will come from the World Bank through the LLDA. The LLRP funding was supposed to come from Belgium. The World Bank is very strict with regard to graft and corruption in the subprojects that it supports. The report for the first round of funding, for example, could be found in the World Bank website, and it is clear that the World Bank tries its best to promote transparency and minimize or eliminate corruption.

The subprojects proposed in Paete, Laguna are part of a larger vision that LLDA has with regard to rehabilitating Laguna de Bay. The two subprojects are in fact part of the master plan of LLDA. And I think, both World Bank and LLDA are hoping that the subprojects in Paete will lead way to a new "Laguna Lake Rehabilitation Project" that the Aquino administration will support.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global Coastal Clean-up Day 2011

Brgy. Linga, Brgy. Sampiruhan and Brgy. Palingon Calamba, Laguna

September 10, 2011

RATIONALE

Laguna de Bay is perhaps the country's most important freshwater body and should be protected to meet the needs of future generations. Besides the visible garbage and rubbish from our daily lives that is indiscriminately dumped here More than 16 million people rely on Laguna Lake for food, water and livelihood, but its water quality is severely compromised by pollution. Industrial pollution from factories, domestic and municipal sewage, agricultural runoff and waste dumps are among the lake's most blatant sources of toxic pollution.

With this, there is a great need to continue the clean up drive and as advocacy for Saving the Laguna de Bay. These also mark the start of a partnership between the Greenpeace Water Patrol and the Youth Development Affairs Office of the Provincial Government of Laguna in promoting the rehabilitation of the said lake for the next generation.


OBJECTIVES

To be a part of a Global Coastal Clean-Up Day Celebration.
For the Laguneño to realize the importance of Cleaning the Laguna de Bay.
To teach the community abut the 3Rs_Reduce, Reuse and Recycle.
To remove the trash and debris for the Laguna the Bay.
To support the project of our Gov. Jeorge “E.R.” Ejercito Estregan and the Save the Laguna Lake Foundation.


TARGET PARTICIPANTS

Different Colleges and Universities from District 1, district 2, district 3 and district 4, Sangguniang Kabataan, LGU, NGO’s, City Gov’t of Calamba, Greenpeace Philippines, Brgy. Officials Sampirohan, Palingon and Linga.

Venue

Brgy. Linga, Brgy. Sampiruhan and Brgy. Palingon Calamba, Laguna

AGENCIES INVOLVED

ENRO, RED CROSS, PSGDO, CITY GOV’T OF CALAMBA
PROPOSE PROGRAM OF ACTIVITIES

Activities

Fun Run and Clean-up Programme

5:00am-5:30am Registration
5:30am-7:00aam Start of Fun Run (From Calamba Plaza to Baywalk)
7:00 – 8:00 Invocation
National Anthem
Open Remarks
Orientation and Guidelines for Global Coastal Clean-up
Message of our Gov. Jeorge “E.R.” Ejercito Estregan

8:00m-9:00am Clean-up
Awarding of Certificate
9:00am Closing Remarks

Concert Programme

7:00pm-8:00pm Invocation
National Anthem
Open Remarks
Orientation and Guidelines for Global Coastal Clean-up
Message of our Gov. Jeorge “E.R.” Ejercito Estregan

8:00pm Start of the Show
Salungat Band
Features Band
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These all looks promising, hopefully our neighbors,Rizal province and Manila follow suit if they want to drink fresh water in the near future. maybe somebody up there is watching Paete, and I am beginning to believe that it will happen. Take it all the way to Pnoy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:21 am    Post subject: nagtatanong.... Reply with quote

Tatlong beses ng sunod na hindi umaatend ng sesyon ang Vice Mayor. Dahil kaya ayaw nyang lumagda sa ordinansang paglalaan sa 2 proyektong kanyang tinututulan? Nagtatanong po lamang.
Taos puso pong nagpapasalamat kung masasagot ang aking katanungan!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: UTANG? Reply with quote

Ang katotohanan n'yan wala naman masama sa mga "Gov't. Project" at hindi ako tumututol dyan dahil maganda ang INTENSYON subalit kailan ba? sa mga proyektong ganyan tulad ng topic dito na huwag na MANGUTANG lalo't iba naman ang magbabayad(mamamayan), pahihirapan niyo naman ang susunod na mamumuno sa atin bayan...kayong mga halal ng bayan(oo lahat kayo) bakit 'di kayo gumawa ng proyekto na sa Term nyo lang babayaran 'di yung papasanin pa ng IBA..Marami namang ORDINANSA na MAGAGANDA tulad ng Ordinansa sa Ban ng Paggamit ng Plastik Bag at marami pang iba...at may magagawa pa kayo at gagawin ...sarap pakinggan ng WOLRD BANK ...mga SPECIALIST pa 'di naman kayo ang magbabayad sa huli...Baling bali talaga...lagi na lang ganito hani? Question wala bang pera ang Munisipyo eh kung matuloy ang pangungutang, ganyan din ang sasabihin ng susunod na Pamunuan paikot-ikot na lang...Meron pa bang mga 'di REGULAR na EMPLEYADO dyan sa Munisipyo sa tagal-tagal ng panahon eh PROBI. pa rin (SILA DAPAT ANG PINAGLALAANAN NYO NG UTANG)tapos pag minalas malas tatanggalin sa PWESTO dahil iba na ang naka UPO, KUNG GUSTO ME PARAAN !!! LET'S JOIN "GLOBAL COASTAL CLEAN-UP DAY 2011" Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:32 pm    Post subject: wwtf Reply with quote

Napakasipag ni Vice Mayor Mutuk sa ikabubuti ng Paete ang diperensya malimit ay sinisisi pa o pinagtatampuhan kaya palagay ko ay medyo bored na wika nga sa englis sa topic na ito, sabi nga ng ilang nagpo post ang problema ng ating lake a "gargantuan"o wika nga ay talagang halos impossibleng malutas,yong magagastos na milyong milyong libong pesos ay baka maubos laang sa corruption. Mabuti pa ang bilyong pesos ay gastusin sa proper sanitation at baka maliit pa ang magagastos,biruin ninyo yang mga proposal na dredging our lake,marami tayong mga genuis na nagproproposed ng halos impossibleng dapat gawin ang pinakamagaling ay desiplina at proper sanitation maliit pa ang magagastos. wag sanag magagalit nakikisingit laang, Vice just take it easy at basta gawin mo ang lagi mong ginagawa sa ikabubuti ng ating bayan,wag mo ng isipin yang mga tampuhiro...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To prevent misinformation, I must reiterate:

(1) The two subprojects address Paete's own problems of solid waste and wastewater.

(2) Without the proposed subproject, Paete will continue to use a dumpsite which may prove harmful to sitio Sta. Ana and its surroundings.

(3) Without the proposed subproject, Paete could not reduce its waste for it needs a materials recovery facility.

(4) Without the proposed subproject, Paete would be in violation of the solid waste management law.

(5) Without the proposed subproject, the lake especially in the vicinity of Paete's shore will have very high coliform count and biological oxygen demand.

(6) Without the proposed subproject, Paete would be in violation of the Clean Water Act.

The proposed subprojects are in fact excellent opportunities for Paete to address its solid waste and wastewater problems.

(1) The proposed subprojects come with almost half as a grant, and the other half is provided as a loan. Without the proposed subprojects, Paete will have to find a solution to its problems elsewhere using its own resources. The program of the Laguna Lake Development Authority (LLDA) is one of the very few that offers assistance to local government units along the shores of Laguna de Bay. As noted in other examples, other towns received assistance from USAID, but the assistance was only technical - the towns had to shoulder all the cost. In the case of Paete, half is a grant provided by the program.

(2) The wastewater treatment facility proposed is expected in the worse case scenario (see the feasibility) to provide a benefit of about 5.7 million pesos to Paete in the next fifteen years (according to the cost-benefit analysis in the feasibility study). I am sure the proposed materials recovery facility - sanitary landfill would likewise have comparable analysis. In short, Paete only stand to gain from these projects.

(3) The proposed subprojects will bring employment to the people of Paete as this is required by any project supported by the World Bank. Construction and materials are required to be local as much as possible. There are likewise permanent jobs that would be associated with the subprojects and as in the case of Los Banos - the materials recovery facility can formalize the jobs of those who live on collecting and sorting garbage.

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For the above reasons, there are people who are completely surprised by the opposition to the two projects. Paete is fortunate that there are people at LLDA who are truly committed to the well-being of the lake so opposition is not making them give up. Even Congressman San Luis is surprised that Paete is not taking these two subprojects with wide open arms. What is wrong? It is because there is a great deal of misinformation out there. And perhaps our commitment and responsibility to the well-being of the lake is not yet clear. Waste management is a responsibility that rests not just on the government but on everyone in Paete. This is well above politics and should be beyond politics.

The proposed subprojects could take care of Paete's solid waste issues for years, even longer than fifteen years if Paete manages to reduce its waste. The proposed subprojects provide Paete with a clear evidence that the town is at least trying to address its sewage problem.

The correct information about these subprojects are out there. Everything is transparent at this point.

I hope we do not use this forum to misinform people.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yon nga ang sinasabi ko Dante, gumawa na lang tayo ng maraming poso negro, tawag ko adopt a toilet, bawat baranggay, pagtulungan nating mahihirap, huwag ayang bilyong utang, corruption at kickback lang ang uuwian nian
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof Angel Good Am po uli,

Ako po ay bilang isang mamamayan ay OO sa MRF/ Landfil...talaga pong wala ng choice ang Paete at kailangan na magkaroon tayo nito para sa ating basura...at nakita naman po natin ang sanhi ng open dumpsite sa Bagiuo nakamamatay kapag napuno ng tubig ulan...

Dangan nga lamang... pwede po ba din ninyong pakinggan ang suhesthon ng nag ooppose na kung pwede ay ilayo ito...doon po sa sinasabi nila na sa Tantong sa pagitan ng Alutay at Tubog...

Alam ko rin po na napakahabang proseso ang pag sasaayos ng mga documento para sa Proyekto...ang opinyon ko po baka po pwede na idagdag na rin sa uutangin ang pagpapagawa ng kalsada patungo sa lugar kung saan ito ay malayo sa kabihasnan...kung yan po ay sulusyon bakit di po natin ito pagkaisahan....ang lugar po na yan ay di rin mapigilan na sinasalanta ng mga magkakahoy at mag uuling kaya hindi po siguro kalabisan ang salantain ang mga kahoy gubat na madadaanan ng kalsada na gagamitin sa mahalagang layunin.

Baka po ito ang ikasasaya ng mga nag oopose sa proyekto ang mapagbigyan din ang kahilingan...Subalit kung ang pag oopose po ay ''not to landfill'' at wala namang alternatibong solusyon ay mananatili na lamang isang oposisyon na walang kapaliwanagan at walang solusyon...

Salamat po gumagalang at nagpapasalamat.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginoong Wernas,
Paano naman kaming may kaingin sa Tandong?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These all looks promising, hopefully our neighbors,Rizal province and Manila
follow suit if they want to drink fresh water in the near future. maybe somebody
up there is watching Paete, and I am beginning to believe that it will happen.
Take it all the way to Pnoy.


Kaya nga ako naniwala sa projects na ito, gawa ng kalalaking hakbang na hindi
natin kakayanin. Yung katuwang natin, kaya nila at hindi yun nakikipaglaro
lamang sa bula. Napalaking pagkakataon na tayo ang makikinabang.
These projects are well studied and calculated, at maraming stakeholders
sa labas ng Paete ang naghihintay sa atin na kumilos para alam nila kung gaano
ang kailangan pag buong lalawigan na ang sakop ng proyekto. Sana'y huwag na
tayong magpatumpik- tumpik pa, at ipakita natin na tayo ay kaisa sa pag-iingat ng
kalikasan para na rin sa ating ikabubuti at sa mga susunod sa atin.
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Dear Gest,

Ang atin pong pinag uusapan o ang mga dokumento para sa proyektong ito sa pala palagay ko po at pakiramdam ay... for finishing touches na....

Pasensya na po hindi ko po masasagot ang inyong katanungan...may mga opinyon po na tanging ang mga kinauukulan lang ang may tamang kasagutan...kung ito nga ay kanilang mapagbibigyan...

kaya po kung ano man itong aking opinion ay para lang po tayong nagbabalik aral na sa mga dokumento at sa maraming kapaliwanagan ay magpapabalik balik na lang tayo sa bawat mga katanungan...

Ganun pa man ay katulad mo rin po ako ay nakatugayay lang sa kahihinatnan ng Proyektong ito...at hindi lang po makatiis na hindi mag comment sa twing may mababasa galing sa ating ibang mga kababayan..

Salamat po at magandang hapon

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another site for the proposed sanitary landfill/materials recovery facility will place Paete in an extremely bad predicament:

(1) Paete needs to remediate the current dumpsite in sitio Sta. Ana. This is not an easy task. The proposed subprojects will address this.
(2) Another site may require road access. This is likewise not an easy task, building roads require money and will also provide greater access to the uplands, which may not be desired because it may facilitate further harm to the uplands (illegal logging).
(3) Paete will lose the funding support of the LLDA and the World Bank and will need to shoulder the entire cost.
(4) Paete, as it currently uses a controlled dumpsite, will be in violation of the Solid Waste Management Act. The only reason why it is allowed to continue its current waste management is because of the current subprojects being proposed.
(5) Paete needs to address the solid waste issue now and not later. There is now more than a year worth of garbage in sitio Sta. Ana and the farmers have already noticed wastewater seeping into its surroundings.

That is why based on the above, it is really unreasonable to oppose the subprojects.

With regard to wastewater treatment, the proposed subproject addresses the immediate need of treating the sewage from the market and the slaughterhouse. The proposed facility will take care of all the wastewater coming from the slaughterhouse and partly from the market. Moving the slaughterhouse somewhere else does not address the problem because it will still have sewage and that sewage will still find its way to Laguna de Bay unless it is moved to the other side of the uplands facing the Pacific. The proposed facility does not yet address the household sewage problem. This will be addressed later in the second and much bigger phase when the actual numbers are available - in order to decide on how big the constructed wetlands should be to treat all the wastewater coming from Paete. Individual septic tanks are not suitable for Paete because of the way houses have been built. The houses are so close to each other and there is no space available for each house to treat the wastewater coming from its septic tanks. A septic tank only takes care of the solids. For this reason, even with all households having a septic tank, Paete will still need to address the wastewater seeping from all of these septic tanks and a central sewage treatment plant will still be required. The second phase of the proposed wastewater treatment facility is the best option Paete has in terms of total costs and benefits. As in the sanitary landfill/materials recovery facility, here likewise opposition is something unimaginable. Another option will cause Paete to shoulder the entire cost. This subproject will place Paete in a good position and will show the enitre nation a feasible solution to address the enitre household sewage Laguna de Bay is facing.

I hope we are not trying the patience of LLDA and the WB. Likewise, nature's patience is also limited. That deadline set by nature is also coming close.

The deadline given by the LLDA is September 30. The subprojects have been way past due but Paete has been fortunate to have received a long grace period. But the patience is not infinite.

These are not trivial issues and these go farther than anyone's personal agenda. These are above politics and these are so much more than any personal conflicts. These involve the health, safety and well-being of the people of Paete. The politics in Paete can change but these issues will remain until these are properly addressed. THIS IS NOT CHILD PLAY, IT IS SERIOUS.

The previous objections of lack of transparency and not enough information and time for the people of Paete to make a decision no longer holds. Enough time and effort have been made toward educating and informing the people of Paete. The projects are financially viable and objections along this line are likewise unsubstantiated.

I hope Paete rises above personal differences and conflicts. This is not the time for division. For once, Paete should unite for its own future and well being.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: wwtf sa paete Reply with quote

Palagay ko naman ang mga nagco-comment sa paksang ito ay di mga bata na di alam ang tunay na kalagayan ng ating lake at ng ating bayang sinilangan,isa rin ako na nagpollute sa ating dagat ng akoy nasa atin pa,dahil ang mga kasilyas ay nasa bambang kahit na maiigi ang buhay ang taponan ay sa bambang. Maaaring may magagalit sa akin pero di bali, ang Paete ay nangunguna sa pinakamaraming daluyan ng tubig o bambang pag ikukumpara natin sa mga kalapit bayan sa Laguna,kaya ang Paete ay dapat manguna na maisaayos ang issueng ito.Propessor Angel wala din naman kami na mga nag comment na may masamang adhika sa mga mabubuti niyang suhestyon sa ikabubuti ng Paete. at alam namin na ito ay di "childs play" at ito ay talagang "serious"na dapat na ma-empliment sa ikabubuhay ng ating Laguna lake at kami ay talagang very proud to have someone doing all the necessary step and doing all the complicated issue and posting this in usap para malaman ng ating mga kababayan ang tunay na kalagayan ng ating lake. Ito ay naiisip ko laang na ang dapat na unang sugpuin wika nga ay yong pinagmumulan ng pollution. Maraming salamat at long live our beautiful Lake,,,dante
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Prof Angel Good Morning po muli,

Ayon po sa iyong mga kapaliwanagan ay lubhang napakakumplikado para mabago ang desisyon na sa Santa Ana na talaga ang pinal na lugar para sa MRF/ Landfill.....

Kaya hindi rin po natin masisisi ang mga nag oopose sa kanilang mga paninindigan ito po ay karapatan ng bawat isa sa demokratikong bayan o bansa....kaya sa palagay ko po ay pulitika na rin ang magdedesisyon sa bagay na ito sa pamamamagitan ng pagsangayon sa proyekto... at di ba po ito ay dinaan na sa botohan sa konseho?...

Katulad po ng nasabi ko bilang isang mamamayan ay di po ako kontra sa MRF/Landfill ang object ko nga lang po katulad ng iba ay ang lugar....''MINSAN''po may mga pinag aralan na, ay nagreresulta ng pagsisi sa bandang huli...( sana wag naman) ...GOODLUCK PO.

Gumagalang po at nagpapasalamat.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there is democracy.

But there are laws too; Clean Water and the Waste Management Acts.

Lastly, there is also responsibility. Freedom is the ability to respond and the two subprojects provide Paete the capacity to take steps in caring for the environment not just for the generations to come but for the people who live there right now.

Along these lines, you could see what opposition means.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Am po Prof Angel,

Tama po kayo kaya nga po sabi ko ay bilang isang mamamayan ay pabor po ako sa MRF/Landfill na syang pinapayagan ng batas...subalit sa inyo nga pong kapaliwanagan ay napakakumplikado para baguhin pa ang planong lugar para sa proyektong ito....(panahon na gugugulin at perang gagastusin)

gumagalang po at nagpapasalamat,

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: IMHO Reply with quote

Inaction is not only irresponsible but in defiance of those who want to take responsible action.
The people have spoken and it is now against their wishes that this hiding game runs counter.

Evasion and holding up the decision to move forward is child's play.
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