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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Personal Notes Reply with quote

Kon. Bokwet said and Mayor wrote:

"Ang mga ipinahayag ni Kon. Odette na mga gaganap sang-ayon sa mga nabanggit na “TASK” ay hindi ko alam kung saan niya kinuha. "

Although I have a file of the copies of the minutes of the meetings regarding the Foundation Celebration and other related topics, I religiously take down my personal notes during these meetings. The terminologies which I used might differ from the minutes of the secretary, but the essence remained the same. Does the difference in the terminologies used ('solicitation' vs. 'house-to-house';'gathering of pictures' vs. 'collection of relevant pictures' ) really matter?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Kon Odette Friend Bid VS SEPMAR Reply with quote


Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,

Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito??? Question Exclamation Rolling Eyes
Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan??? Wink
Sa opinion ko, siguro kung inilabas mo ang bagay na
ito noon pa, masmaganda ang naging takbo at malinaw ang usapan,
pero tila lalong nagiging masalimuot ang usapan. Konsehal ka pa
naman, dapat naging maagap ka sana sa paglalabas ng kung ano man
ang totoo. Yun lang Salamat Konsehal.

Para Kay Ludee,

Ako na ang sasagot sa tanong mo kay Mar Dalagan,
Yes, kapatid ko si Mar Dalagan, pinakabunso sa amin, lumaki diyan
at hindi nag-aral sa Maynila kundi sa Los Banios, nakarating dito sa
Amerika dahil sa kanyang kakayahan at specialization sa styroform
carving in modern techniques kasama na ang ice carvings, culinary
arts like vegetables and fruits carvings, marami na siyang award sa
competition bagamat he maintained a low profile Paetenians(like our
family). About the tourist boat, siya na ang sasagot sa iyo. Laughing
Regards, Wink
YnoT

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Kon Odette Friend Bid VS SEPMAR Reply with quote

sabi ni tony:

>>>>>Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,
Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito???

maidagdag ko lang pala...yung 16,000.00 quotation from odette's friend ay wala pa ang printing cost doon. assuming it is 10.00 ea x 5000 pcs = 10,000.00....di hamak pa rin sanang mas malaki ang natipid kumpara sa SEPMAR.




>>>>Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan???

ito ay isa sa napakagandang tanong na hindi lamang para kay kon odette kundi para sa lahat ng taong involved sa project na ito particularly kay ka noel at bokwet. kahit sino ang humalukay sa mga ginastos sa brochure na ito ay talagang hindi maubos-maisip ng walang malisya kung bakit napayagang gumastos ng ganoong kalaking halaga samantalang may mga paraan naman para makatipid.

in my previous posting, i cleared the SB from the mess of this controversial brochure pero ang sabi ni bokwet ay kasama daw sila sa proyektong ito. ay sya hala....matiyagang nakatutok at naghihintay ng inyong mga kasagutan ang ating buong sambayanan sa buong mundo.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a bidding process, without a competing bidder, there is nothing Ka Noel or Councilor Bokwet can do. Sepmar made the sole bid, which was in line with the requirements, Ka Noel nor Councilor Bokwet cannot challenge that bid. Otherwise, one will be placing a lot of power on the government, which is detrimental to private enterprises that have the right to participate in government projects.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adedios wrote:
In a bidding process, without a competing bidder, there is nothing Ka Noel or Councilor Bokwet can do. Sepmar made the sole bid, which was in line with the requirements, Ka Noel nor Councilor Bokwet cannot challenge that bid. Otherwise, one will be placing a lot of power on the government, which is detrimental to private enterprises that have the right to participate in government projects.


yes i agree. but the meeting with odette's friend [where she quoted 16,000.00 + maybe 50,000.00 for printing] was held several months before the bid was published. the price bid of 125,000.00 for the brochure was set by ben and bien [if we are to follow the postings of ka noel], di hamak na mas mataas.

here in our office, we have an annual bidding for the health insurance of our employees. aside from publishing the notice of bid in the newspapers, one of the tasks i do is to call and invite several health insurance companies to make sure na marami kaming bidders. the requirement is at least 3 bidders. if there is only 1 or 2 bidders, it is declared "failure" then i will have to call again other companies. kung talagang kulang pa rin ang bidder, that's the time we do the a lot of justifications, deliberations and assessments to make sure na hindi kami malulugi when we finally award the bid.

in the case of our brochure, i wonder why nobody thought of inviting odette's friend to join that bidding considering a very well known fact na mas mababang di hamak ang offer niya. it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..... Wink Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:12 am    Post subject: para kay prof. angel de dios Reply with quote

Magandang araw po propesor. Salamat po sa inyong pagbibigay pansin sa aking pahayag.
Eto po ang aking mga kasagutan sa inyong mga katanungan:

(1) “How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?”

Noon pong pinag-uusapan pa lamang ang konsepto ng proyektong ito, ay ang napagtibay na budget para sa libro ay 650,000 kasama na ang printing. Sa aming pakikipag-ugnayan kay G.Frank Rivera ay napag-alaman namin na pwedeng sa UST ipa imprenta ang libro na walang paunang bayad kundi bibilhin namin ang mga librong inimprenta sa halagang mapagkakasunduan. Ang naging desisyon ay sa UST na lamang ipaimprenta sapagka’t ang ibabayad sa UST ay mababawi din sa maibebentang libro sa mga tulad ng Ayala Foundation, San Mig Corp, PAGCOR, NCCA, atbp.

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

Ang kadagdagang pondo po ay nagmula sa 20% development fund na nakalaan sa Turismo.

Sana po ay nakapagbigay ng kaliwanagan ang aking kasagutan sa iyong katanungan.

Kumusta na po kayo?

Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
“hindi ito sinagot ni ka noel noong unang
itinanong ko sa kanya, baka sakaling ikaw ang
makasagot: are you aware EVEN BEFORE THE START OF THE BIDDING that mr ben afuang and mr. bien saniano have "business relations" with SEPMAR?”


Saida, ako na ang sasagot uli sa tanong mo kay Kon. Bokwet. Ulitin ko dahil parang nakalimutan mo na. If you will go back to my posting dated March 29, 2006 10:08AM I said:

“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

I even clarified it with my answer to Indoy posted March 30, 2006 12:54 AM as follow:

“…Because if you know the meaning of "strictly business between them" they are the only ones who can tell you what you want to know.”

Sabi ni Saida sa sagot kay Angel:
Quote:
“…yes i agree. but the meeting with odette's friend [where she quoted 16,000.00 + maybe 50,000.00 for printing] was held several months before the bid was published. the price bid of 125,000.00 for the brochure was set by ben and bien [if we are to follow the postings of ka noel], di hamak na mas mataas.”

Anong puntos mo dito Saida? As you said it was several months (hindi pa nga namin alam kung magkano dapat and badyet para sa libro at brochure nong makipag meeting kami sa kaibigan ni Odette.

Sabi uli ni Saida:
Quote:
“…in the case of our brochure, i wonder why nobody thought of inviting odette's friend to join that bidding considering a very well known fact na mas mababang di hamak ang offer niya.”


Wala siyang ginawang formal offer. Vocal estimate lang niya yon kaya nga hiningan ko ng proposal na hindi naman nag submit. Paano naming malalaman na MABABANG DI HAMAK ang offer niya noong panahong iyon gayong hindi pa nga naming alam kung magkano ang magiging budget para sa brochure! Besides don't you think Odette is in the best position to asnwer this? Siya ang kaibigan at may contact, nong malaman na niya (at kasama naman siya sa mga meeting na P125,000 ang budget ng brochure eh bakit kaya hindi na niya ulit tinawagan ang kaibigan nya para mag submit ng offer?

Sabi pa ni Saida:
Quote:
“…it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..”


Aba, Saida… I think your innuendo is treading on very thin ice.


Cheers,
Ka Noel


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: As Stated Reply with quote




Saida,
Pabayaan muna nating si Odette ang magpaliwanag, hindi
naman ikaw ang tinatanong ko... Laughing
Palagay ko, masmaganda at detalyado kung si Odette ang
magpapaliwanag, ganon din kung bakit bigla na lamang nawala
sa process ang proposal ( o kung may quote na) ang "friend" ni
Odette. Please lang, no offense intended...OKey? Wink
Regards,
tony dalagan Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: para kay prof. angel de dios Reply with quote

Magandang araw po propesor. Salamat po sa inyong pagbibigay pansin sa aking pahayag.
Eto po ang aking mga kasagutan sa inyong mga katanungan:

(1) “How did the municipal government reduce the cost of the foundation book from 650,000 pesos to 256,000 pesos?”

Noon pong pinag-uusapan pa lamang ang konsepto ng proyektong ito, ay ang napagtibay na budget para sa libro ay 650,000 kasama na ang printing. Sa aming pakikipag-ugnayan kay G.Frank Rivera ay napag-alaman namin na pwedeng sa UST ipa imprenta ang libro na walang paunang bayad kundi bibilhin namin ang mga librong inimprenta sa halagang mapagkakasunduan. Ang naging desisyon ay sa UST na lamang ipaimprenta sapagka’t ang ibabayad sa UST ay mababawi din sa maibebentang libro sa mga tulad ng Ayala Foundation, San Mig Corp, PAGCOR, NCCA, atbp.

(2) Since the total cost of brochure and book is about 385,000 pesos (260(book)+125(brochure)), where did the remaining 185,000 pesos come from (385(total cost)-200(grant from DOT))?

Ang kadagdagang pondo po ay nagmula sa 20% development fund na nakalaan sa Turismo.

Sana po ay nakapagbigay ng kaliwanagan ang aking kasagutan sa iyong katanungan.

Kumusta na po kayo?

Kon. Ronald “Bokwet” Cosico
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
Quote:
“Although I have a file of the copies of the minutes of the meetings regarding the Foundation Celebration and other related topics, I religiously take down my personal notes during these meetings. The terminologies which I used might differ from the minutes of the secretary, but the essence remained the same. Does the difference in the terminologies used ('solicitation' vs. 'house-to-house';'gathering of pictures' vs. 'collection of relevant pictures' ) really matter?”


Let us compare the official Committee of SB vs the Notes of Kon. Odette:

Official Committee of SB (as per minutes of meeting dated March 29, 2005)
1. Articles at Write-Ups - Kon. Odette Sunga
2. Gathering of Pictures - Kon. Aurelio Paraiso
3. Historical Events Chairman - Kon Obet Pascual
Assistant: Kon. Lilia Monfero
4. Messages- Kon. Delia Cadapan
5. Solicitation:
a. Letter to Sponsors Kon. Ronald Cosico
b. House to House Kon. Ronald Valdellon
6. Lay-out and Printing Dr. Bien Saniano / G. Ben Afuang

Committee as per notes of Kon. Odette:

The Sanggunian members were assigned the following tasks:
Vice- Mayor Mutuk Bagabaldo – Nomination and Selection of the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; Stage Decoration
Solicitation of Advertisements from sponsors and NGO’s for the Foundation Book Coun. Delia Cadapan, Coun. Lilia Monfero, Coun. Ronald “Lapad” Valdellon –
Coun. Bokwet Cosico – plaques for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; sponsors from the corporate world and national government officials for the celebration and messages for the Foundation Book; tourism brochure production
Coun. Obet Pascual – Coordination with schools for the organization of the parade (daytime activity) and stage play (night time activity)
Coun. Kid Paraiso – Collection of relevant pictures for the foundation book
Coun. Odette Fadul-Sunga – in-charge of the write-ups for the awardees and presentation details for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete”; coordinated with Mr. Ben V. Afuang (editor and in-charge of the Foundation Book) in organizing the writers and researchers for the articles in the Foundation Book.

1. Articles at Write-Ups –Kon. Odette (TAMA)
2. Gathering of Pictures – Kon. Kid Paraiso – Collection of relevant pictures for the foundation book ( MALI, kasama ang Brochure sa itinatag na Komiti, makikita sa minutes na may title na: “BROCHURE AT LIBRO PARA SA IKA 425 TAONG ANIBERSARYO NG PAETE”…. “dito ay tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika-425 Taong Aniversaryo ng Paete, Laguna.
3. Historical Events - Coun. Obet Pascual – Coordination with schools for the organization of the parade (daytime activity) and stage play (night time activity) (TAMA)
4. Messages- Coun. Bokwet Cosico – plaques for the “Natatanging Buhay na Anak ng Paete” awardees; sponsors from the corporate world and national government officials for the celebration and messages for the Foundation Book; tourism brochure production. (Nagkahalo-halo, dahil si Kon. Bokwet ay Chairman ng Solicitation sa Manila, corporate sponsors pero hindi sa Messages dahil ito ay kay Kon. Delia. Hindi din siya ang chairman ng tourism brochure production. Maliwanag na wala ito sa ating Minutes)
5. Solicitation- Coun. Delia Cadapan, Coun. Lilia Monfero, Coun. Ronald “Lapad” Valdellon (MALI, si Kon. Lapad lamang ang sa solicitation. Napakiusapan lang niya si Kon. Delia nong bandang huli na tulungan siya sa house to house. Si Kon. Monfero naman ay assistant ni Kon. Pascual sa Historical Events.
6. Lay-out and Printing - Mr. Ben V. Afuang (editor and in-charge of the Foundation Book) in organizing the writers and researchers for the articles in the Foundation Book.
(Mali, as per our original minutes of meeting, Dr. Bien Saniano and Mr. Ben Afuang are incharge of Lay-out and printing of both brochures and Foundation book.)

I cannot understand why Kon. Odette have her own committee not in harmony with the agreed set up. Baka naman hindi lang natandaan. Please refer to our minutes of meeting dated March 29, 2005.

Ka Noel
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Paglilinaw po lamang.. Reply with quote

Para Sa Lahat po ng kinaukulan :

Bilang nabanggit po ang aking pangalan sa usaping ito tungkol sa "Tourism Brochure".

Ang tangi ko pong masasabi ay ako ang ang naatasan at namahala sa pagkalap o pagkuha ng mga larawan o pictures na mayroon kaugnayan sa gagawing Foundation books at Tourism brochures..

Ginawa ko pong maka pangalap at maka kuha ng mga lumang larawan at mga bagong kuha (pictures taking) na gagamitin po dito sa nasabing proyekto.

Matapos ko pong makapangalap ng mga luma at makakuha ng bagong larawan, ay kada pagpupulong po ng Working Committees ay isinusumiti o ibinibigay ko po ang mga nakakalap o nakuha at nai-padevelope kong mga larawan Kay G. Ben Afuang, na siya po naman nangangasiwa sa mga larawan para sa ila-lay-out nasabing books at brochures.

Meron pong mga larawan doon sa Tourism Brochure na galing po sa aking mga nakalap o nakuha..

Ngayon po, sa inyong mga katanungan, kung ako ay binayaran para dito, o tumanggap ng anumang kabayaran tungkol dito? Ang aking sagot ay ito.. "Wala po akong tinanggap na anumang kabayaran o walang ibinigay na bilang kabayaran o bayad dito", katunayan po ay sa aking pagkakaalam ay tatlong FILM (3) o Apat na FILM ang aking naipa-developed, pero yun po ay akin ng sariling gastos..


Maraming Salamat po,


Kid Paraiso


P.S.- Kung tapos na po ang lay-outing ng mga pictures/larawan, partikular
po doon sa mga lumang larawan na hiniram ko sa Simbahan at sa
mga ibat-ibang tao ay magalang ko pong hinihiling na maibalik sa
akin at aking pong isasauli sa mga kinaukulan.

Salamat PO.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The boat and the miniature... Reply with quote

dadaludy wrote:
Hello Mar...magandang araw sa iyo...
Since you mention "The boat and the Miniature". Yes, I and some other who are behind it, But believed it or not it is more of a "gratis". Even my minial labor pay were even used fot the materials,


Tanong ko:

Anong ibig mong sabihin dito? Binayaran ka? Ano ang minial labor pay?
Dun sa sabi mong "even my minial labor pay were used fot the materials,"
....you used the minial labor pay to buy the materials?


Hi Ludy....Magandang araw di naman...Yes mga kapatid ko nga ang mga nabangit mong pangalan.....At kahit noong aktibista pa ako sa Los Banos ay pinapayuhan lang nila ako pero never nila ako diniktahan, inudyukan pinigilan o sa kung ano man ang paniwala at mga gawain ko pero buo pa rin ang suporta nila sa akin. Kaya malaki respeto ko sa kanila.
Tungkol sa tanong mo tungkol sa bangka sasagutin ko kahit ano ang katanungan mo....kung idinerecta mo sana sa e-mail ko, detalyado! Pero bakit naman kita sasagutin dito sa ML ay malinaw naman na gagamitin lang ninyong sa panibagong usapin " no way". PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo? Pasensiya ka na at gusto ko rin kasing magkapag-ambag......

Tungkol duon sa minial labor pay...... Kahapon magandang araw ko at kahit ngayon at baka hanggang sa pag-uwi ko uli diyan itatapat ko na uli ng Eleksiyon. Araw namin mag-asawa kahapon, kahapon din 1st day ko, alam ko na ang starting rate ko ay $20 per Hour kaso nasorpresa ako na inalok ako ng sasakyan at bahay sabi ko sa next month na lang kapag fix sa $1,500 na ako per week, uunahin ko muna yung abogado ko, mahirap maging illegal dito di baga? Ngayon sa BANGKA wala akong bayad dun...sa miniature mga P300 per day lang yata hindi ko tanda dahil di naman ako interesado, NGAYON May Idea Ka na? Pasensiya ka na nabangit ko pati di nasa mabangit.O hanggang dito na lang muna at hintayin ko sagot mo?

Salamat.

Mar
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: COMMITTEES Reply with quote

I'm so sorry mayor for the minor inconsistencies in posting the committees. But I just hope the readers and our kababayans have taken the point that I was driving at.

Based on the committees that we have in the minutes that have been presented here, the majority of the SB members were never part of the brochure committee and were never really consulted and were never really aware of the details in the conceptualization and production of the said tourism brochure.

I had to apeak out what's in my mind and in my heart upon reading your April 2 reply to Saida:
"Hindi pa ba sapat sa inyo na ang buong Sangguniang Bayan na ang nag-isip at nagprepara ng project na ito? As early as March, 2005 ay pinag-aaralan na po ito."
"Masyado bang nakakasira sa mga turista kung ito'y nakalitrato sa brochure? Sorry, hindi naisip ng Committee(SB) na napakalaking issue pala nitong pagkakalagay ng Durian!"

I want to clear the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan from the Tourism Brochure controversy. I am doing this in good faith since I believe I owe it to my colleagues in the Sanggunian.

In fact, I have formally brought out this matter to the attention of the SB during our March 22 regular session where I delivered my privilege speech. I gave them the copy of the "OPEN LETTER TO SB" posted by Mr. Tito Basa on February 14, 2006. I wonder why I got a very cold response from the other councilors. The questions have been left unanswered. Until now majority of them have opted to remain silent.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanong ko po para kay Kon. Odette,

Doon po sa bidding ng "friend" mo, kung meron
difference sa P16,000 vs P122,000 na sandyang napakalaki tulad
ng kwenta ni Saida, Bakit ngayon mo lang inilabas ang suhestyon
na ito, samantalang ang sabi mo ay matagal mo ng sinusundan ang
thread na ito???
Pangalawa, sa laki ng difference, bakit ka pumayag
o kaya ipinakipaglaban mo, hind kundi para sa "kaibigan" mo, kundi
para sa kapakanan ng ating bayan???
Sa opinion ko, siguro kung inilabas mo ang bagay na
ito noon pa, masmaganda ang naging takbo at malinaw ang usapan,
pero tila lalong nagiging masalimuot ang usapan. Konsehal ka pa
naman, dapat naging maagap ka sana sa paglalabas ng kung ano man
ang totoo. Yun lang Salamat Konsehal.

Ka Tony,

Saida was the one who compared the big difference in the design and production costs offered by my friend against the actual costs incurred by the municipal government of Paete for this tourism brochure.

Actually, it should have been : P16,000 (compared to P73,000) for design, photography,lay-outing,etc.

That was a preliminary meeting between my friend and Mayor (March, 2005). I was just there to observe. Kon. Cosico was also there. It was not a "bidding."

That was a year ago, March, 2005. This issue started only on February 14, 2006.

I respect my friend's decision if she opted not to submit a formal proposal to our mayor.

How could I possibly suggest to our mayor things related to the said brochure when I never knew that there had been a bidding in October, 2005? I have just learned about it here in USAP PAETE and ML.

I suggest that you also ask the other councilors to shed some light on this brochure issue. They haven't voiced out anything or whatever they know that could possibly help resolve this issue.

I'm indeed puzzled why the other concerned councilors have preferred to remain silent.

Some of the things presented and tackled here did not really answer the questions of our kababayans, such as -
1. Who did the design and the lay-out?
2. Who did the write-up and was paid P14,500?
3. Who was/were paid P14,500 for the photography?
4. Who did the managing and editing for P29,500?
5. Who suggested and selected the pictures to be published here?

These are but simple questions that require simple answers.

I know there are other questions that need to be answered. I just hope there would be more brave souls who could help resolve this issue once and for all.

This is not just a matter concerning the cost and the quality of the tourism brochure. It entails more than that.

My genuine concern is to protect the integrity of the Sangguniang Bayan and to search for TRUTH and JUSTICE.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konsehal Sunga:

The brochure is one part of a big thing that Paete is trying to do. For this reason, it may not look straightforward to entangle the issue. The way I see it, there are other items in the agenda of all of those meetings. After all, the Sangguniang Bayan was preparing for the event itself, the celebration of the Foundation day of Paete.

So again in this light, it is helpful to pause and try to understand the flow of events. The conceptualization and planning stage are very distinct from the actual execution of the project. The Sangguniang Bayan was not the body responsible for the execution of the project. This was Sepmar's job. And distilling most of the problems and perceived shortcomings of the project really boils down to the execution of the project. Sepmar is private and is not part of the municipal government. It is apparent that Sepmar did recruit services from Paetenians and this is a private transaction.

The funds for this project even came way after most of these meetings that were held by the Sangguniang Bayan. The minutes show that Konsehal Cosico was placed in charge of soliciting the funds necessary for the project from possible sources in Manila. And I know that during the time that I was in Paete (early August), Konsehal Cosico was still trying to obtain the funding. I would imagine that the conceptualization and planning stage was done so as to secure the funding. A proposal is required to get funding. And I remember when Ka Noel and Konsehal Cosico sat down with Ayala Foundation, preliminary questions are always asked that even at that point, a plan has to be in place. From the minutes that you have kindly shared and those of Konsehal Cosico, it appears that indeed this is what is being addressed by the Sangguniang Bayan: The plan - and it includes of course, all the other activities relevant to the Foundation celebration. It is a big event so it is only expected that the Sangguniang Bayan divides the enormous task among its members. And since the brochure is only a part of this, I am actually not surprised that much of the attention will be drawn to the actual celebration of the event as well as the book.

The funding when it became available changed the picture. The job began to involve the granting agency, the Department of Tourism. There are guidelines and rules, I imagine, that this funding would have brought to the table. At this point, the project left the Sangguniang Bayan. It also altered the role of the municipal government. The bidding process is supposed to be independent from the elected officials. For example, I do not think any of the elected officials has the power to affect the bidding process. There is a committee assigned specifically for this process and that committee includes someone from the Commission on Audit. The approval of the brochures also went to the hands of the Department of Tourism. I would imagine that the municipal government could have approached the Department of Tourism at some point before the printing of the brochures, but this is one subject that is probably too late to discuss at this point.

When I left in August, there was not that much time left before the actual Foundation event. This was a lot of work on the shoulder of the municipal government especially the Sangguniang Bayan. And I see how much the municipal government would like to get all of these things done on time. And it is really tough, the government does not have an infinite amount of resources. After all, brochures, books and event are not the only ones that require the attention of the government officials. And I sincerely believe that all of you deserve a lot of credit for all the hardwork that you all do. You work hard together to make things happen. It may not be perfect to all, but to me, you all have done a great job and I do not feel having any right not to give praise and respect to each and everyone of you. And I know that a lot of people share this feeling of gratitude to each and everyone of you. We have enormous problems, there are more to come, but I am optimistic that with the current officials of Paete, we will thrive. I say that I do not feel any right to criticize for one reason. All I have to do is to look at how much all of you are paid and compare that to the responsibilities that you shoulder. And it is obvious - you all sacrifice a lot, a lot more than I could ever boast I could give to Paete.

To all of you who serve Paete - You have my utmost respect and admiration. You deserve no less.

Sincerely,
Angel
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Paglilinaw po lamang.. Reply with quote

Kid Paraiso wrote:

Ngayon po, sa inyong mga katanungan, kung ako ay binayaran para dito, o tumanggap ng anumang kabayaran tungkol dito? Ang aking sagot ay ito.. "Wala po akong tinanggap na anumang kabayaran o walang ibinigay na bilang kabayaran o bayad dito", katunayan po ay sa aking pagkakaalam ay tatlong FILM (3) o Apat na FILM ang aking naipa-developed, pero yun po ay akin ng sariling gastos..
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kon kid,

thanks a lot for your short, simple but straightforward answer. ito ay nakadagdag ng malaking linaw sa agam agam at pagmumuni muni ng marami

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: As Stated Reply with quote

tony dalagan wrote:

Saida,
Pabayaan muna nating si Odette ang magpaliwanag, hindi
naman ikaw ang tinatanong ko... Laughing
Palagay ko, masmaganda at detalyado kung si Odette ang
magpapaliwanag, ganon din kung bakit bigla na lamang nawala
sa process ang proposal ( o kung may quote na) ang "friend" ni
Odette. Please lang, no offense intended...OKey? Wink
Regards,
tony dalagan Smile


no problem ynot.....inihabol ko lang sa 16,000.00 yung posibleng cost ng printing na 50,000.00....at nag follow up lang sa maganda mong tanong...uuwi ka baga sa mahal na araw for your grand class reunion?
rgds din kay bentot.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kanoel wrote:

Sabi pa ni Saida:
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“…it came out later that some of the persons who conceptualized the project have business relations with the sole bidder. well, maybe that's another story..”


Aba, Saida… I think your innuendo is treading on very thin ice.
Cheers,
Ka Noel



ka noel,

whether it's thin ice or crushed ice, the innuendo was based on the statement that came straight from the horse's mouth.....from our phone converstaion at sa sagot mo kay indoy:

“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

i was just curiously treading on a very thin ice until i accidentally stepped on a seemingly tip of the iceberg ... Wink Wink Wink

more cheers! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: The boat and the miniature... Reply with quote

Sabi ni Mar...

Hi Ludy....Magandang araw di naman...Yes mga kapatid ko nga ang mga nabangit mong pangalan.....At kahit noong aktibista pa ako sa Los Banos ay pinapayuhan lang nila ako pero never nila ako diniktahan, inudyukan pinigilan o sa kung ano man ang paniwala at mga gawain ko pero buo pa rin ang suporta nila sa akin. Kaya malaki respeto ko sa kanila.

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Huh? Duh? Hindi ko naman tinatanong kung nire respeto mo ang 2 mong kapatid...at hindi ko rin naman itinatanong kung diniktahan ka nila, pinigilan or what...


Sabi ni Mar...

Tungkol sa tanong mo tungkol sa bangka sasagutin ko kahit ano ang katanungan mo....kung idinerecta mo sana sa e-mail ko, detalyado! Pero bakit naman kita sasagutin dito sa ML ay malinaw naman na gagamitin lang ninyong sa panibagong usapin " no way".

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Hindi ko naman kailangan ang detalyado at simple lang ang tanong ko, no hidden agenda, ay sa namaganda ko ang boat na gawa mo ay!!! Excuse me!!!...at anong panibagong usapin ang sinasabi mo dyan? Pag sinagot ako ng anak ko ng "no way" lagi ko silang sinasagot ng "there is nothing impossible to God" Very Happy pero hindi ko naman ikaw anak ay Crying or Very sad ...kaya ang sagot ko sa iyo ay..."ah hu hu...LET GO, LET GOD... Wink peace be with you...

Sabi ni Mar...

PERO sasagutin kita bakit ang hindi baka sabihin naman ninyo may itinatago ako....Lamang paki sagot mo muna yung tungkol doon sa Murang lampost mo, Saan bayan baga yun? Magkano ba talaga? Pareho ba ng quality noon nasa atin? At kanino naggaling impormasyon mo? Pasensiya ka na at gusto ko rin kasing magkapag-ambag......

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Aba...akala ko ay hindi mo ako sasagutin? Nagbago baga ang isip mo? Oh I see, may kundisyon ka...sorry...mga consequences lang kay Lord ang kinatatakutan ko Wink At usually, hindi pa man ako nagtatanong kay Lord ay may sagot na siya at kaya ko naman ang mga kundisyon ni Lord, hindi ko sinusunod ang kundisyon ng mga TAO dahil sa kadahilanan na tayo'y TAO lamang Very Happy ...nasa sa iyo kung gusto mong mag ambag, basta ako, alam ko na ang gagawin ko...

Sabi ni Mar...

Tungkol duon sa minial labor pay...... Kahapon magandang araw ko at kahit ngayon at baka hanggang sa pag-uwi ko uli diyan itatapat ko na uli ng Eleksiyon. Araw namin mag-asawa kahapon, kahapon din 1st day ko, alam ko na ang starting rate ko ay $20 per Hour kaso nasorpresa ako na inalok ako ng sasakyan at bahay sabi ko sa next month na lang kapag fix sa $1,500 na ako per week, uunahin ko muna yung abogado ko, mahirap maging illegal dito di baga?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Question Confused Wink Wala akong itinatanong kung kumusta ang araw mo, kung kailan ang uwi mo, kung ano ang rate mo, wow...good for you...God is good di ba? pag ganyan ang blessing na dadating sa akin ay bigay agad ako kay Lord ng 10%!!! illegal? Question Question Confused Crying or Very sad ay naku, wala akong sinasabing ganyan, ikaw ang nagsabi nay-an...

Sabi ni Mar...

Ngayon sa BANGKA wala akong bayad dun...sa miniature mga P300 per day lang yata hindi ko tanda dahil di naman ako interesado, NGAYON May Idea Ka na? Pasensiya ka na nabangit ko pati di nasa mabangit.O hanggang dito na lang muna at hintayin ko sagot mo?

Sagot ni DaLuds...

Ayan, familiar na sa akin ito, ito nga ang tanong ko, naintindihan ko na ang ibig mong sabihin ng "minial"...yun pala ay "menial"...mababang halaga.....dahil pala ang bayad sa iyo ay P300 per day...pasensya ka na at natanong ko ikaw...

Salamat. May your blessings be bountiful.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Saida:
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[b] “whether it's thin ice or crushed ice, the innuendo was based on the statement that came straight from the horse's mouth.....from our phone converstaion at sa sagot mo kay indoy:”


“Whatever is the participation of Ben and Bien in the actual production of the brochure is strictly a business between them and SEPMAR.”

Quote:
“i was just curiously treading on a very thin ice until i accidentally stepped on a seemingly tip of the iceberg ...”[/b]


Mine is not an innuendo. I was just stating a possibility of circumstances, sa tagalog: “KUNG ANO MAN ANG PARTISIPASYON NI BEN AT BIEN (ibig sabihin, kung meron man o wala) SA AKTUAL NA PRODUCTION NG BROCCHURE AY SA PAGITAN NA ITO NILA AT NG SEPMAR”

But yours is, when you said: “it came out later that SOME OF THE PERSONS who conceptualized the project HAVE BUSINESS RELATIONS WITH THE SOLE BIDDER. well, maybe that's another story.....

“SOME OF THE PERSONS” is very generalized. Although specific tasks were assigned during the conceptualization of the brochure, the whole Committee was somehow involved. And you are also categorically sure that “some persons” have business relations with the sole bidder? You are insinuating something that could generate malicious thoughts in the mind of the readers (if not your own).

Cheers,
Ka Noel Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nasa Batangas si Kon. Bokwet at nakikipag coordinate sa tourism counterpart niya doon sa panukalang gagawing “Handicraft Caravan” sa mga susunod na buwan. He requested me to post his reply to Kon. Odette.


Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
“ If we were considered to be a separate committee that should deal with the tourism brochure, why weren't we called in a separate meeting so we could discuss and study the matters regarding this brochure thoroughly? Why should this very important topic incorporated in a general agenda and taken up before the other working committee members such as the teachers and others who don't belong to this committee?”

Kon. Odette, hindi nga hiwalay ang komitiba ng brochure at libro, paanong magkakaroon ng separate meeting? (Basahin mo ang katitikan noong March 29, 2005 na nakasaad doon na: “ … tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika 425 taon anibersaryo ng Paete, Laguna. Kung sa palagay mo ay napakahalaga ng topic na ito at dapat ay bukod na komitiba, bakit hindi ka tumutol ng magbuo ng nasabing komitiba? O baka naman ngayon lang naging napakahalaga sa yo ng topic na ito dahil may mga bumabatikos sa quality at presyo ng brochure.

Sabi ni Kon. Odette:
“If the Tourism Brochure had always been part of the agenda and related to the topics on the Foundation Book and the 425th Foundation Celebration, why were there no discussions regarding its details such as the selection of the pictures to be published, the people who would do the write-ups, the design and lay-out, etc.?”

Nakalimutan mo na ba noong unang pagpupulong at nakalagay pa sa minutes na:
“ … tinalakay ang ilalagay sa brochure at libro para sa ika 425 taon anibersaryo ng Paete, Laguna”. Bagamat wala pang mga larawan noon ay inaydentify na natin ang mga ilalagay na nakasaad sa attachment ng minutes (Paki tingnan ang iniscan na attachment na ipopost ni Kon. Kid Paraiso sapgagkat siya ang chairman ng mga pangangalap ng pictures)
Sa design at lay-out naman ay maliwanag sa minutes na ang mangangasiwa dito ay si Dr. Saniano at G. Afuang.

If the Tourism Brochure Committee was composed of the whole SB, how come no one among us could answer the pertinent questions during the SB Regular Session held last March 22, 2006 wherein I delivered a privilege speech concerning Mr. Tito Basa's 'Open Letter to SB'? Why would Kon. Bokwet refer this matter to the committee on Good Governance under Kon. Lilia Monfero?

Hindi mo ba natatandaan ang pakiusap ng ating taga pangulo, VM Mutok na ang pagsagot sa privilege speech ay sa susunod na pagpupulong sasagutin dahil ayaw nyang magkaroon ng mahabang pagtatalo. Tungkol naman sa pagkaka tukoy ko sa committee on Good Governance under Kon. Lilia Monfero, magiging bias ako kung ako ang magtatangol sa mga akusasyon tungkol sa brochure dahil ako ang tagapangulo ng lupon sa turismo. Marapat lamang na ang committee on Good Govenance ang duminig ng usaping ito upang magkaroon ng patas na pagdinig.

Sana'y nasagot ko ang iyong mga katanungan.

Kon. Ronald "Bokwet" Cosico
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Angel:
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I say that I do not feel any right to criticize for one reason. All I have to do is to look at how much all of you are paid and compare that to the responsibilities that you shoulder. And it is obvious - you all sacrifice a lot, a lot more than I could ever boast I could give to Paete.

To all of you who serve Paete - You have my utmost respect and admiration. You deserve no less.


Thanks for the kind words, Angel. It is like an oasis in the desert!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kanoel wrote:

And you are also categorically sure that “some persons” have business relations with the sole bidder? You are insinuating something that could generate malicious thoughts in the mind of the readers (if not your own).

Cheers,
Ka Noel Rolling Eyes




it was you who told me that Bien and Ben are subcontractors of SEPMAR [not unless you are thinking of denying it.... Wink Wink Wink ] the quality of the brochure alone as against the huge cost of production is more than enough to generate malicious thoughts with or without insinuations from anybody.

cheers too!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Odette:
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“I'm so sorry mayor for the minor inconsistencies in posting the committees. But I just hope the readers and our kababayans have taken the point that I was driving at.”


What exactly is the point that you are driving at? That you have nothing to do with the brochures now that there are critics questioning its quality and price?

Quote:
“Based on the committees that we have in the minutes that have been presented here, the majority of the SB members were never part of the brochure committee and were never really consulted and were never really aware of the details in the conceptualization and production of the said tourism brochure.”


You know that this is not true. You know that there is no “brochure committee” because there is only one committee for the brochure, the book and the actual foundation celebration. Take a second look at our first meeting on March 29, 2005. The title is very clear: “BROCHURE AT LIBRO PARA SA IKA-425 TAONG ANIBERSRYO NG PAETE”

Quote:
“I want to clear the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan from the Tourism Brochure controversy. I am doing this in good faith since I believe I owe it to my colleagues in the Sanggunian.”


Who smeared the good name of the Sangguniang Bayan that you have to clear it single handedly? Don’t you think it could have been better if you adhered to the suggestion of Kon. Bokwet to discuss this issue among yourselves under the sponsorship of the Committee on Good Governance and make a collegial stand about this issue rather than charging your colleagues of being cowardly silent?


Quote:
“In fact, I have formally brought out this matter to the attention of the SB during our March 22 regular session where I delivered my privilege speech. I gave them the copy of the "OPEN LETTER TO SB" posted by Mr. Tito Basa on February 14, 2006. I wonder why I got a very cold response from the other councilors. The questions have been left unanswered. Until now majority of them have opted to remain silent.”


If I’m not mistaken, you have internal rules about “privilege speech”. I think Vice Mayor Mutok can offer some explanation on this.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabi ni Saida:
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“it was you who told me that Bien and Ben are subcontractors of SEPMAR [not unless you are thinking of denying it.... ”


I said : "BAKA HINIRE SINA BEN AT BIEN NA CONSULTANT NG SEPMAR". I never categorically said I'm sure they have direct relation with SEPMAR because I do not know that. Now, when you said, “SOME PERSONS”, you are referring to Ben and Bien and not anybody else, are you?

Sabi ni Saida:
Quote:
“the quality of the brochure alone as against the huge cost of production is more than enough to generate malicious thoughts with or without insinuations from anybody.”


If you will stick to the issue of the quality and cost, I think we have explained our selves quite thoroughly here. That we are bound with certain rules and regulations that we have religiously adhered to, that passed the requirements set by DOT and COA.

“it came out later that SOME OF THE PERSONS who conceptualized the project HAVE BUSINESS RELATIONS WITH THE SOLE BIDDER. well, maybe that's another story...” It is this kind of insinuation that create malice in the minds of people.

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