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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony;

Some of the posts may be regarded as off topic, but we cannot deny that the first post under this thread talks about religious art. Fr. Fadul was explicitly talking about Paete's religious art. Religious art is at the heart of Paete's woodcarving. The best work of my uncle, for example, is a depiction of a family that is praying together.



ORASYON by Isaac Cagandahan, 1952 AAP Award Winning Sculpture. Photo by Manny Baldemor.



Paete's art is, without doubt, an expression of the faith of the community. It is an expression of those who used their hands to shape a piece of wood to convey a message. And in the beholder, it is an expression of a response to a message.

My response in this thread attempts to bring the topic back to Paete's art, with the help of citing the article, "Paete on my mind".

There is not one among us who holds the key to everything. We can express and share our beliefs but we need to hold others with respect and tolerance. It is something we simply have to do if we are honest and admit that we do not know everything and that the truth is not exclusively in our hands nor in others.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: kalidad ng ukit Reply with quote

artist wrote:
di po naman natin tinatakal ang kanilang kakayanan...ang katotohanan nga poy tulad kong tulad kong isang purong taga paete na umuukit din e unang takot na ikumpara ang aking ukit sa taga paete..kase poy ang totooy tayo pang mismong taga paete ang una pang pistaero sa gawa ng iba..marami po nyan!


Dude, take it as a challenge on your part. Huwag po tayo masiraan ng loob dahil sa mga pintaserong katulad ko dahil tulad po ng "trabaho" di mawawala ang mga "pintasero". Bilang Pinoy ang ugali na po natin ay maging "defensive" kahit sa kabila ng katotohanan. Ang gusto po natin marinig ay yun lamang masarap pakinggan. Minsan may dumaraan na tao na dahil walang "bias" ay nakakasambit ng salitang hindi natin nagugustuhan ngunit kung susuriin nating mabuti ay mayroong katotoohanan. Mas makakabuti kung atin munang suriin kung ang sinasabi nga ng iba ay may basehan sa katotohanan bago sumama ang loob natin. Ako po ay sumubok din mag-ukit noong bata pa ako, pero kasabihan nga sa atin "kung lilikasan ay sana noon pa" kaya huminto po ako at humanap ng ibang pagkaka-abalahan.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Bakya ni Neneng Reply with quote

Mayor, thanks for sharing of the wooden shoes pictures. Maganda at nakaka-akit. Paete style talaga. Pag nagboom ito ay nanganganib na naman ang mga punong puputulin. Ang resulta na naman ay baha pag uulan at babagyo. Dapat siguro ay mag tatanim uli ng bagong puno. Siguro kung isa ang pinutol na puno ay magtanim na dapat agad ng 3 para maraming reserba sa mga darating na panahon. Sa Paete po baga kinukuha ang mga kahoy na ginagamit sa pag-gawa ng bakya? Ma-ala-ala ko nga pala ay nagpabakyaan si ama noong maliliit pa kami. Iyon ang simula ng kabuhayan ni ama at ni ina. Dapat itaguyod natin talaga ang bakya. Sayang at dito ay sa summer lamang nagagamit ang bakya.

Wish ko ang patuloy na success ng ating product sa Paete. Quality is better than quantity, but much better is quality and quantity.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Paete Woodcurving Reply with quote

We can argue ad infinitum as to whether Paete’s woodcurving is really the best.

My wife’s first cousin has his roots from Betis, Pampanga and in his dining room is a replica of the Last Supper made from the said town. I also have a Last Supper curved by Amang Pabling Cagayat. Suffice it to say that I won’t exchange my Last Supper with my cousin’s. I am not going to say it to his face, but I think his Last Supper sucks. The faces of the 13 persons involved are undecipherable. So much for the vaunted quality of Betis.

It’s not a sign of negativism to critique a piece of art. On the contrary, it is proactive. Germany is famous for quality work because of its never ending quest “for the best mouse trap.” Hence a devil’s advocate is conducive for advancement. It’s a bit more like tedious, sisyphean task. Yes sir. It’s not only Sir Galahad and Ponce de Leon who were in eternal search for something.

Whether Paete has geniuses when it comes to woodcurving is beyond doubt. If I remember it right, I think a person named Madrinan was the Juan Luna of Paete woodcurving.

The main problem of Paete though is raw material. We can always plant acacia, narra or batikuling. But unless properly guarded, these trees will just be pirated by hooligans as shown in the photos posted by Vice Mayor Mutuk. Better organizations and coordinations among the parties involved (cooperative, planters, woodcurvers and town officials) need to be emphasized and ‘cultivated.’
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Sharing lang po... Reply with quote

Eto lang po ang gusto kong idagdag...

Gusto kong ipaala-ala ang "Valdecantos Woodcraft" ay pag aari nina tatay at nanay. IPINAMANA kay Remy at Caloy. Nagulat nga ako nung umuwi ako, wala na yong Valdecantos Woodcraft na sign Wink ...not to offend anyone in my family, friends...pero iayos din po natin ang pinagmulan ng history. Sa kasalukuyan, sina Remy at Caloy ang nag su supply sa shoemart Wink kaya in truth...I would say, "Valdecantos Woodcraft" now known as "Cagandahan Wooden shoes." Ang design ng bakya ay galing sa talino ni nanay. No offense, Sister Tita, kapatid ni Caloy Wink Wink Very Happy


Eto naman ang para kay Eddie at sa ibang bumanggit ng tungkol sa religion...



I would like to share this article...wala akong intention to offend anyone, we just have open discussion here, hane...click the link below...


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.....sage/47206

kung hindi kayo member, hindi nyo siguro ma access ito...kaya eto po...

Break Free from Religion
By Kimberly Daniels



If it is for freedom that Christ set us free, why do we seek to
entangle one another in yokes of bondage, otherwise known as
religious traditions?

Before I became a Christian, I had a reputation for being a "worldly
woman." Once I accepted Christ, my heart's desire was to be accepted
as a "church sister." The problem was, I didn't look like one yet.
I wore extremely tight clothes, my hair was three colors, and I had a
mouth full of gold teeth. At one church I was called "Jezebel" and
asked to leave. A deacon pulled me aside and warned me that the
people there didn't like "my kind."

In tears I called a Christian friend who was in the same denomination
but a different church. She invited me to her service. I went, and
afterward some of the women invited me to go to dinner with
the "church sisters."

I was elated!

I changed into a pair of long shorts. They went down to my knees, but
they were so tight, a butter knife couldn't slip between my leg and
the material.

Driving separately, I trailed some of the women to a beautiful house
in the middle of nowhere in Frankfurt, Germany, where I was stationed
with the U.S. Army. The house was full of "church sisters." But every
time I tried to talk to one of the women, she would walk away from
me.

Finally I asked the owner of the house if something was wrong. She
looked down at my pants and asked me to leave.

I was hungry, scared, and I didn't know my way back to town; but by
God's grace, I made it home safely. It wasn't until later that I
realized there were rules in some churches—including dress codes—that
just couldn't be broken.

Eventually I found a church home and became active in evangelism and
intercession. One day the leader of our prayer band announced that
the group was going to go to a military prison to minister. I quickly
shared my desire to take part.

No one had the heart to tell me that ministry was strictly reserved
for men. Women were allowed to pray with the group but forbidden to
go out to minister.

Instead of leveling with me, the leader of the group told me to meet
the men at 11 the next Saturday morning. What I didn't know was that
the group was planning to depart for the prison at 9:30 a.m. I
arrived early, though, and their plan to leave me behind was foiled.

Next they told me there wasn't enough space on the bus for me. "I
will drive my own car," I politely responded.

The bus took off down the Autobahn at lightning speed. I wasn't
comfortable driving on the German superhighway; but with tears
rolling down my face, I purposed to stay close. It was obvious they
were trying to lose me.

The 1.5-hour drive seemed to take forever. Finally we arrived at the
prison and began the necessary processing procedures.

That's when the leader of our prayer group pointed at me and told the
prison guard, "She's not with us."

I was shocked that the rules of the ministry had superseded the first
commandment of God—love!

Spirits in the Doorway Eventually I left the military, and I moved to
Florida to open a facility for drug-addicted women. In time I became
their pastor.

One day I met an evangelist setting up for a tent meeting. After
noticing the title "pastor" on my card, he told me in no uncertain
terms, "Sister, God has not called women to oversee churches. You are
only a handmaiden of the Lord!"

By this time the tears I'd shed after so many rejections had dried
up. Something radical rose up inside of me, and for the first time I
recognized the spirits that were standing in the doorway, trying to
block me from entering the call of God on my life: religious spirits
of tradition.

These religious spirits are strategically set up in church doorways
to stop people from coming in. Luke 11:33 says that those who "come
in" must see the light. Religious spirits of tradition have mind-
blinding and mind-binding assignments that keep people from seeing
the light.

The task of these spirits is to make the spiritual eyes and ears of
new believers deformed from the start. Just as the developmental
stages of babies in the womb are important, so are the stages of
conception and development of new converts.

The "light" of Luke 11:33 produces an atmosphere for proper spiritual
growth. When that light is not provided, however, souls are
miscarried or aborted. That's why the Bible warns believers to be
careful that the light in them does not become darkness (see Luke
11:35).

Darkness descends when the light of the gospel is overshadowed by
traditions handed down by men. In such cases, the Word of God is set
aside, deprived of its authority and power.

The result, according to Matthew 15:6-9, is that the Word is not
effective in the lives of God's people. Whenever a church's focus
turns from the Word of God to the doctrines of men, worship becomes
useless.

Avoiding Darkness How can we avoid letting our light become darkness?
By steering clear of religious traps!

The Greek word for "darkness" is skotos, which means shadiness or
obscurity. The bondage of tradition is part of the shadiness that
shuts out the light of the gospel in us.

Understand, tradition in itself is not a bad thing. The problem
arises when church people attempt to make their generational rules
and regulations equal to the Word of God. When they pass down their
religious traditions, social customs and belief systems by mouth or
by practice, without validating their origin or explaining their
purpose, they breed shadiness and darkness.

Their doctrines and traditions become like cement that has settled.
The church is bound, with no room for any person, place, or thing
that doesn't fit with what's already there.

The Pharisees were bound by their customs and traditions. Jesus
called them hypocrites! In Matthew 23:13 He told them, "'You shut up
the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves,
nor do you allow those who are entering to go in'" (NKJV).

Two verses later He said, "'You travel land and sea to win one
proselyte [or convert], and when he is won, you make him twice as
much a son of hell as yourselves.'" Apparently there is a demonic
double portion that operates through this religious, anti-
evangelistic spirit!

Not only does the Word of God warn us to beware of the "leaven of the
Pharisees" (Luke 12:1); it also warns us to beware of the "concision"
(Phil. 3:2, KJV). The Greek word for "concision," katatome, is
related to the word for circumcision, peritome. Both mean "to cut."

Circumcision has to do with the law ordained by Moses that
distinguished God's people from heathens. When this law of peritome,
which is good, is forgotten, it becomes katatome, which is evil.

Katatome, or concision, is the mutilation of the Word of God. People
involved in concision violate the Word in a type of spiritual rape.

They never get intimate with God's Word but use it for self-
gratification. Philippians 3:2 calls those who operate in this
realm "evil workers" and "dogs."

There is good news, though. Although religious traditions and the
abuse of God's Word can affect the attitudes, customs and
institutions of the religious world, they cannot penetrate the true
kingdom of God!

As Paul boldly proclaimed, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in
power" (1 Cor. 4:20, NKJV). The Greek definition of "word" in this
verse refers to the limited word of God that is made of no effect by
man's interpretation of it.

This type of word is manifested in church teachings concerning women
in ministry, appropriate dress, speaking in tongues and demons, among
other things. But the kingdom of God is in power—and this violent,
miracle-working power is not subject to man-made traditions.

Religiously Correct As the return of Jesus draws closer, you would
think that the hearts of God's people would grow closer to Him. The
apostle Paul knew differently.

In 2 Timothy 3:1-7, Paul spoke about the apostasy, or the falling
away from the truth. He listed numerous spirits that would be
operating in church people in the last days.

These people, Paul said, would have "a form of godliness." The Greek
word for "form" is morphosis, which means "an appearance."

There are fashions in the church world today that put pressure on
Christians to present a certain appearance, to be religiously "in
vogue." In many churches, if a ministry gift isn't wrapped in the
right package, it's not considered religiously correct.

But Romans 12:1 shows us how we must present ourselves as believers.
We must not have a "form of godliness" that is worldly in nature. We
must not be conformed to the world but transformed!

The Greek word for "transformed" is related to our English
word "metamorphosis," which means "to change appearance." Only as we
are changed in appearance will people see the light of the gospel in
us and "come in."

Religious spirits of tradition work to keep a church from being
transformed. They block the light necessary to draw in new converts.
When we finally deal with frivolous church customs and traditions,
great evangelism will begin to take place!

The Greek word for "customs" is ethos, which means habits. Many of
the issues that cause controversy and division in the body of Christ
are rooted in religious habits that no one takes the time to
challenge.

We need to rise up to that challenge! Otherwise, if we continue to
base our doctrines on man-made belief systems that have been passed
down from generation to generation, we will limit the work of the
Holy Spirit in the last days.

Hope in the Spirit Thankfully, there is hope. First Peter 1:18 tells
us that we have been "redeemed…from [the] aimless conduct received by
tradition" from our forefathers.

The Greek word for "tradition," paradosis, is related to the word
paradidomi, which means "to put in prison" or "to be a hazard."
Clearly, some church traditions have been hazardous to believers,
causing them to be imprisoned in a yoke of bondage.

The prince of the power of the air uses these customs and traditions
as a cover of darkness to infiltrate churches—and then rules over
those believers who don't renounce them.

But we have been redeemed! Through the power of God's Spirit, we can
reject dark, aimless and harmful traditions that are based on man-
made doctrines and not on the Word of God.

Will it be easy? No, but the reward will be great. It was for me!

Remember when the men in my German prayer group told the prison guard
that I wasn't with them? Well, the guard let me in another door and
allowed me to go cell to cell, ministering to every woman in the
facility.

From that day until the day I moved back to America, I ministered
every month at the prison. In fact, it was through that prison
ministry that my own ministry, Spoken Word Ministries, was
incorporated.

The men who tried to keep me out? They never ministered at the prison
again. Remember the "church sisters" in that house in Frankfurt who
rejected me because of my appearance? Over time, God used me to
personally minister to almost every one of them.

And last but not least, remember the tent evangelist who told me I
couldn't be a pastor? Another pastor who was passing by at that
moment heard the conversation. He invited me to speak at his church—
and that one meeting grew into a citywide revival.

My prayer is that God will anoint and empower you to see the
religious spirits of tradition standing in the doorway of your
calling. Don't let your light become darkness! Reject these religious
spirits, and make a path for the next generation to see the light and
come in.


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Kimberly Daniels is the apostle and overseer of Spoken Word
Ministries in Jacksonville, Florida.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:53 am    Post subject: Obserbasyon at Opinyon Reply with quote

Kapag ang pinag-uusapan ay kung paano makararating sa Pakil, bakit dapat mapadawit ang rota papuntang Longos. Baka gusto ay roundabout.

Kapag ang pinag-uusapan ay kung paano magluto ng tortang itlog, bakit dapat mapasali sa rekado ang suka(vinegar). Baka maging pinaksiw.

Ang sabi nga sa Paete ay "bai ay malayo sa putukan".

Hindi na naman tayo mga batang paslit na madaling malito.

Kung ang pinag-uusapan ay materyal na bagay, dapat yata ay ihiwalay muna sa mga paksaing pangrelihiyon. Pwede namang i-post ang mga biblical quotations sa grupo ng Inspirational.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mang Panong wrote:
..."bai ay malayo sa putukan". Kung ang pinag-uusapan ay materyal na bagay, dapat yata ay ihiwalay muna sa mga paksaing pangrelihiyon. Pwede namang i-post ang mga biblical quotations sa grupo ng Inspirational.


Your suggestion seems to be reasonable, and I fully agree with you. Another saying of ours "Ilagay sa lugar" only proves the need for propriety. Unfortunately, we don't have a section for religion in our Usap Paete. The closest we have is the "Inspirational" section.

The recent thread on religious postings started when somebody posted his perception of the vanishing religious art in Paete, which received mixed reactions. Incidentally, this was posted in Usap-Paete and, as to be expected, the respondents posted their replies in the same place. Where else? Doon unang pumutok, kaya doon din sila nagpaputok.

We Paetenians are deeply religious and political. Religion and politics are deeply imbedded in our psyche and are part of our identity. Take them away and we are nothing. The many suggestions not to mix politics and religion in discussion have all fallen into deaf ears.

I think religious and political discussion is OK as long as it is civil and respectful. Some are understandably turned off by religious and political discussion, but then who is forcing them to engage in religious and political discussion? Don't we say: If you cannot take the heat, get out off the kitchen?

The reality of life is that anytime you make a religious or political claim you will most likely be challenged by someone who has a different point of view. This is true especially of what I call "biblical cherry pickers." These are people who quote the Bible to prove a point. I consider this a game, and I can play it. I have many opinions, but I don’t remember having used the Bible to prove any of them.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mang Panong wrote:
Kapag ang pinag-uusapan ay kung paano makararating sa Pakil, bakit dapat mapadawit ang rota papuntang Longos. Baka gusto ay roundabout.


I agree with you

I followed the initial discussion on this one up to the post of that "Clarification" thread but chose not to reply...but this time I can't help it

As I see it, it's not the scriptures that's the problem here. I also was bothered by the posting of religion because to put it simply-- it's really off-topic!

they have a healthy discussion not of scriptures but sculptures-- be it art, flimsy imitations, kitsch, and religious images -- but not necessarily religion.

that post about religion just made the thread desultory; he should've just created a new thread to air his opinion. After all, part of verse 10 of paetenian Mailing List Netiquettes says:

"... If you are responding to an e-mail and you are changing the
subject, indicate the new subject and place the old subject in
parentheses preceded by the word "was:" For example,

SUBJECT: Is Hydromex the solution? (was: Please say NO to Landfill!) "

in forum rules, it means create a new thread to start a new topic. Anything under the sun you like to discuss and replies must relate to the subject being discussed. Otherwise create new one with reference to the old topic/thread if needed. In other forums, moderators move the off-topic replies to a new thread for readers not to be misled into opening a page titled UkitPaete and yet be surprised to find religion being discussed Sad

a place for everything and everything in its place!

btw, you can polemize for as long as you want and the issue won't go away. It's been that way for thousands of years Sad

now I want to continue discussing current state of Paete carving to offer my own take on the subject. Where were we on the topic?
we've lost it, haven't we? Sad

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Religion Masquerading as Paete Ukit Reply with quote

Is the bible really original? Abraham came from the land of Ur in Mesopotamia where the epic struggle of Enkidu and Gilgamesh was supposed to have occurred. In that epic, they also mentioned about a great flood. Hmmm, Noah’s story is beginning to sound like an erzat. The Garden of Eden was supposed to happened in Lake Urmia near Tabriz in modern day Azerbaijan province of Iran. When the couple was thrown out, two cherubims were placed near the entrance to prevent them from returning. In Zoroastrianism, cherubims were also mentioned though they do not appear to be chubby cheek babies but more like monster. But who knows, Zoroastrianism and the story of Gilgamesh and Enkidu may have been copycats of another great epic farther to the east, the struggle of the Pandavas and the Khauravas of the Hindu Mahabharata. By the way, Hinduism also mentions about the issue of triumvirate at the top echelon the purpose of which is to counterbalance each other, like the Ying and Yang.

But do I really need to know all the passages in the bible if its authenticity is questionable? After all, the Egyptians still continue to deny that Moses and his cohorts ever existed.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Paete Woodcurving Reply with quote

noli cagayat valdellon wrote:
I also have a Last Supper curved by Amang Pabling Cagayat. Suffice it to say that I won’t exchange my Last Supper with my cousin’s. I am not going to say it to his face, but I think his Last Supper sucks. The faces of the 13 persons involved are undecipherable. So much for the vaunted quality of Betis.


My parents also have a Last Supper carved by Dada Pabling Cagayat. I'd say even I won't give it in exchange to what is currently available in all of the shops now in Paete. That is one piece of woodcarving I always admired. It's not so extra-ordinarily exquisite nor perfect (in fact it has a slight 'mistake' noticeable only if you stare long enough) but it's also rare nowadays to find a piece you will say somebody has put a lot of heart carving. When I was a teenager, I used to while the time watching neighbors carve and a usual expression I used to hear a lot was "tama na 'to, para huwag nang umulit". I know it's some kind of an "industry" joke with Paetenians are a naturally cheerful lot but I also think it's not 100% joke given that when uttered, the carver was always in a great hurry to finish the piece - bagbag, linis, as-is, deliver - dispatcho. I cannot blame them though as I said I understand the market forces always dictate the price and the quality of the "commoditized" ukit.

That dedication by Dada Pabling visible in that particular piece is difficult to find in most of our current carvers.

cheers!
Tony
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: opinyon at suhestiyon Reply with quote

fr musta napo? nagkitakita kami nila grace last wk end bday po kc nun ni tita cely. nakausap ko rin po si ninang baby. oks napo c nanay at kapatid ko salamat sa Diyos hindi po grabe.

gusto ko pong maki sabat. tungkol po sa ukit paete. meron din po akong poon at sa totoo lang umani din sya ng d magandang puna noon pero sa akin pag tinititigan ko sya ayus naman at ang dating sa akin ay maganda at buhay na buhay. cguro poy branded narin ang ukit paete c tatay ang umukit nung san rafael at yung birhen kilalang mag uukit sa paete. c tatay naman +kiko cajipe ay matagal ng tumigil sa pag uukit simula nong akoy ipanganak at napag ukit ko lamng nooung 21 yrs old na ako.

opinyon ko po,

ang ganda ng ukit ay marahil depende sa tumitingin o bumibili di naman cguro nila bibilin kung ubod talaga ng pangit. pero sa totoo lang po iba ang sukatan ng mga taga paete sa pag tingin ng ukit o marahil sa ibang bagay narin gaya ng itsura. marahil kung taga paete ka talaga pansin mo na me ugali tayong pintasero negatibo pero pag dating sa kwalidad ng trabaho ay magandang bagay din. pag taga paete ang mag huhusga ng isang ukit ay naku pag pangit ay talagang pangit at pag maganda ay talagang maganda. pero iba iba tayo ng pag tingin at pag husga. may hindi masyado maganda sa atin pero sa iba ay ubod na ito ng ganda. mabibili ang maganda dahil maganda pero maaring may kamahalan ang presyo nito(branded siguro ng mga master carver) . ang di masyado maganda mabibili dahil maganda sa paningin ng bumili at kaya ng kanyang bulsa.

suhestyon ko po,

isang beses pumasok po ako sa tindahan ng ukit at me nakita akong mga stickers na may tatak paete ang mga ukit. baka maaring gawin ito bilang quality control ng mga ukit na lalagyan lang ng mga special stikers ang mga trabahong may mataas na kalidad. pero hindi po ibig sabihin nito na yung hindi malalagyan ay hindi na ibebenta. ang stickers po ay bilang tanda lamang na ang produkto ay dumaan sa panlasang paete. at yung iba ay hindi pero ibebenta din po nila yun. hirap explain dito pero sana naunawaan ninyo hehehe.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: ice carving Reply with quote

magandang araw po....

wala po ito sa topic ninyo...

paumanhin sa moderator....

makikisingit lang po....

gusto ko lang po sana malaman kung saan po puwede mag-aral ng ice carving...

kung may nakakaalam po sana...

kahit address o telephone numbers lang po eh ok na.....

salamat ng marami....

e-mail niyo po sana sa akin sa kookooyao@yahoo.com ang info....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: ukit paete Reply with quote

MAGANDANG GABI PONG MULI,

PASENSYA NA PO NGAYON KO PA LANG PO NABASA YUNG TUNGKOL SA TALAKAYAN TUNGKOL SA UKIT PAETE QUALITY NOT QUNTITY, NAPAKAINTRESADO NG MGA PALIWANAGAN LALO NA SA MGA SINABI NI MAYOR.

BILANG ISANG BATANG PAETE AY MASAKIT NGA PO NA MARINIG NA MAS MAGALING PA ANG MGA TAGA BETIS DI PO AKO MAKAKAPAYAG NYAN, ANG ALAM KO PO AY SA LABOR SILA KILALA DAHIL PO SA HABA AT DAMI NA RIN NG KOMPETISYON NA SINALIHAN KO AT NAPANALUNAN WALA NAMAN PO AKONG NAKATUNGGALI O AKOY TINALO NG ISANG TAGA PAMPANGA SA CULIRARY ARTS ANG KARAMIHAN NA LUMALAHOK SA MGA KOMPETISYON AY THAILANDER MINSAN ME SHRILANKA,INDIA INDONESIAN BIBIRA ANG PUTI MALAKI KASI BUDJET NILA AT OF COURSE PURO MGA TAGA PAETE MALIMIT ANG NAGLALABANLABAN SA CULINARY ARTS AT SYEMPRE LAMANG NA LAMANG SA GALING AT IDEA ANG MGA PAETENIANS, JAPAN MAGALING KAYA LANG KARAMIHAN DI SILA LUMALABAS NG BANSA.SA AMERIKA DI BA PURO TAGA PAETE ANG HARI NG CULINARY ARTS.

KAYA YUNG SABI NI FATHER NA YARI SA PAETE YUNG ISANG IMAHE NA NAPINTASAN PASENSYA NA LANG DAPAT NAGKAROON MUNA NG RESERCH YUNG BUMILI KUNG KANINO IPAPAGAWA, NAPAKARAMI PA RING MAGAGALING MAGUKIT SA PAETE AT YAN AY DI MAWAWALA NAGPAPASALINSALIN LANG NG HENERASYON .

PASENSYA NA KAYO MEDYO LAST SUNDAY KO LANG PO NALAMAN NA ME WEB SITE NA PALA ANG PAETENIANS SA PAMAMAGITAN NNG NINAG NELDA BALDEMOR BABABALDO 2ND LADY OF PAETENIANS, NOONG ARAW KASI DI MAN LANG MARATING NA PEOPLES TONIGHT ANG PAETE BIBILI PA SA STA CRUZ

SALAMAT PO
winston julus t. hernas
whernas2001@yahoo.com

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Nilotica
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Para sa Ukit Paete Reply with quote

Suhentiyon para mapangalagaan ang ating Ukit Paete. Kailanagan natin na magbuo ng Komitiba na mag-iiplementa ng mga pagpapatotoo (authentication) na ito ay gawa sa Paete o ng taga Paete o aprubado ng taga Paete. Paano? Mag-designed ng Zeal na itatak sa Gawang Paete. at bago maaprubahan ito ay susuriin at sususgin base sa mga kategorya:

A. Mataas na kalidad.
1. Gawa ng Taga-Paete (lehitimo, kung kailangan ay 2 or 3
generation na lahing Paete). Libre ang bayad o kaunting
donasyon
2. Gawa mismo sa Paete (lehitimong address sa Paete )
Libre o kaunting donasyon.
3. (Optional) Ipi-natatakan sa Paete. (Hindi Gawa sa Paete, Labas
sa generation requirements) Pero ito ay dapat may
napakataas na Quality(kailngan karapatdapat
dahil dadalhin nila ang Paete Zeal) at tatlong higit
ang bayad sa naunang (1 & 2) requirements.
B. May business License sa Paete
1. Taga Paete (may diskuwento)
2. Taga Ibang bayan O labas sa Generation Requirements
(magagamit ang pinagpapaguran ni Vice) kailangan may
taga Paete.
Ngayon sa mga susuri (lalo na sa #3) ay pwede sigurong buoin ng mga kilalang mag-uukit sa Paete (ex. Paloy Cagayat, Luis Ac-ac, Dr. Fermin Madridejos, atbp. na mahuhusay na pirmihang nasa Paete. Mas maganda siguro kung marami (10) pero 3-4 kataao ay pwede nang magsuri, pero kung may apela kailangan sa 10 ay 7 ang papanig para makapasa at siguro kailangan ay confidential kung sino sa 10 ang nagsuri para maiwasan ang tampohan, palakasan,
Hindi naman po siguro kaabalahan ito kung ang pagsusuri ay gagawin kung Linggohan, kailangan po natin gumawa ng hakbang upang ang ating Tatak Paete ay mapangalagaan. Dahil kahit sino o kahit saang gawa ay madaling magsabi na ito ay gawa sa Paete ( kahit taga Betis) para lamang mapataas nila ang presyo nila. Sa parte naman natin huwag na po muna nating isipin ang mapataas ang presyong sa ngayon po ay mapangalagaan muna ang tatak Paete at pag ito ay na "establish" ay madali na ang presyong itaas.
Kapag ito ay nabuo na (Komitiba) ay madali na nating ipa lathala sa TV o tourismo, para sa advertisement at kaalaman na rin ng mga mamimili.
Ito po ay base sa obserbasyon ko lamang noong ako ay nakakapaglibot pa, lalo na po sa Europa na mas mataas ang pagpapahalaga nila sa kanilang mga obra maestra ika nga. Lahat kasi sa kanila ay may mga tatak na inaalagaan.

Ito lamang po at sana ay makatulong.....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: ICE CARVING Reply with quote

PASENSYA NA PO

DITO SA ISANG NAGTATANONG
tungkol sa ice carving kung saan daw magaaral

gusto ko lang makatulong sa tanong nya na mas madaling paraan
eto ang sagot ko jan

kung nakakita ka na kung paano at ang pagamit ng paet bumili ka sa hardwer ihasa mo ng matalim o matalas tapos magbuo ka ng yelo sa freezer nyo sa bahay siguro 20 centimeter square pwede mo ng pagpraktisan kuha ka lang ng larawan ng gusto mong gawin yun na yun

prakticing is your good teacher

winston julius t hernas
beijing china
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